Talking Politics

[KnightersRevenge]

Abbott's performance as PM was matched by his performance as Minister for Women and Minister for indigenous Affairs. (or whatever the titles were).

not convinced about Turnbull but at least he aint Abbott.

The big positive is that PM Malcolm will see off Bill. No way will he make it to the next election as Labor leader. The bad news is there is no-one really to replace him.

 

[poppa x]

The big positive is that PM Malcolm will see off Bill. No way will he make it to the next election as Labor leader. The bad news is there is no-one really to replace him.

Yes there is.
Ed Husic.
But he 'ain't in one of the factions so he's got no hope.

 

[tigersnake]

Andrew Bolt on Abbot's fall.

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/townsville-bulletin/20150915/281646778924429/TextView

Not happy a right winger is in the chair rather than an extreme right winger. Unsurprising.

 

[K3]

Not happy a right winger is in the chair rather than an extreme right winger. Unsurprising.

Don't reckon Turnballs is a right winger TS. Think he is just beholden to some right wingers.

Does that mean he still flies around in circles...?

 

[Baloo]

He's a big "L" liberal I reckon. He may not have a Rudd like Abbott trying to bring him down at every opportunity, but he'll have the Tea Partyesque Ultra right wing Bernadi types after him.

 

[AngryAnt]

He's a big "L" liberal I reckon. He may not have a Rudd like Abbott trying to bring him down at every opportunity, but he'll have the Tea Partyesque Ultra right wing Bernadi types after him.

He's got a very divided party behind him - about 60% of them hate him but they'll toe the line as far as possible to try to win the next election. Gonna be a tough gig for Malcolm I reckon.

 

[Baloo]

I reckon it's all about the Polls. Stay ahead and keep the party in power and he might be ok. As jack lang said, when in doubt, always back self-interest, at least you know it's trying

 

[AngryAnt]

I reckon it's all about the Polls. Stay ahead and keep the party in power and he might be ok. As jack lang said, when in doubt, always back self-interest, at least you know it's trying

Yep - early polls show Turnbull 70% Shorten 24% as preferred PM.

Shorten seems to be a real liability now.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yep - early polls show Turnbull 70% Shorten 24% as preferred PM.

Shorten seems to be a real liability now.

That's this week. Wait until the next Ute-Gate.

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

Twenty four years old but a great profile of Turnbull by John Lyon.

www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/gw-classics/raging-turnbull-20140904-10c7ye

 

[tigersnake]

He's got a very divided party behind him - about 60% of them hate him but they'll toe the line as far as possible to try to win the next election. Gonna be a tough gig for Malcolm I reckon.

similar to Gillard/ rudd:

Rudd, public liked him, party hated him
Gillard, public hated her, Party liked her

Abbott, Public hate him, party like him
Turnbull, Public like him, Party hate him

Difference is the order is reversed in terms of which one was sacked mid-term.

 

[jb03]

similar to Gillard/ rudd:

Rudd, public liked him, party hated him
Gillard, public hated her, Party liked her

Abbott, Public hate him, party like him
Turnbull, Public like him, Party hate him

Difference is the order is reversed in terms of which one was sacked mid-term.

There is another difference from the two scenarios. When Rudd was knifed, he was still doing ok in the polls compared to Abbott whose rating was diabolical. Geez the party must ave had some sort of hatred toward Rudd.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Yes there is.
Ed Husic.
But he 'ain't in one of the factions so he's got no hope.

Okay, there is no one person who stands above the rest. Husic is okay, but there are others. None of them shout national leader to me though. But then I like old fashioned head kickers with charisma and brains so I'll be waiting a while.

 

[tigersnake]

There is another difference from the two scenarios. When Rudd was knifed, he was still doing ok in the polls compared to Abbott whose rating was diabolical. Geez the party must ave had some sort of hatred toward Rudd.

No he wasn't. He'd sunk. Not as low as Abbott, but significant. He'd lost the only power he had.

 

[RemoteTiger]

You know what *smile* me about federal politics? The way the right of center scream Union meddling when Labor announce a policy or make a decision. How the conservatives belly ache on about the unions having control of Labor.

Yet nothing is said when the big end of town meddle in the politics of the Liberal Party. Murdock and his tweets last week were proof of the power he holds over the Libs. His papers were unashamed in their bias towards Abbott with headlines in Tuesday's editions lambasting Turnbull.

Shock jocks do Murdock's bidding. Hadley's interview of Morrison was a classic. Yet it backfired completely. Jones' constant dribble about the great legacy of Abbott. Due to their hold on the media they peddle their opinion as fact. How they can say Abbott will be remembered as a great PM is beyond me. He was a slogan only PM. He had no grip on economics and his speeches on the world stage were an embarrassment. But he was lining up all the Ducks to change the media laws of this land to benefit one man, Murdock.

I'm not big on unions, in fact the quicker Labor arm lengths itself from the unions the better for Australia. But we should also recognize the powerful influence the big end of town has on the Liberal Party.

Meanwhile, middle class Australians, the very heart beat of this nation because our economy depends on their confidence and spending can go and get knotted as long as the unions get their way and/or the big end of town gets their way.

Wish we were a true democracy, but I suppose I'm being ideological..........

 

[bullus_hit]

You know what sh!ts me about federal politics? The way the right of center scream Union meddling when Labor announce a policy or make a decision. How the conservatives belly ache on about the unions having control of Labor.

Yet nothing is said when the big end of town meddle in the politics of the Liberal Party. Murdock and his tweets last week were proof of the power he holds over the Libs. His papers were unashamed in their bias towards Abbott with headlines in Tuesday's editions lambasting Turnbull.

Shock jocks do Murdock's bidding. Hadley's interview of Morrison was a classic. Yet it backfired completely. Jones' constant dribble about the great legacy of Abbott. Due to their hold on the media they peddle their opinion as fact. How they can say Abbott will be remembered as a great PM is beyond me. He was a slogan only PM. He had no grip on economics and his speeches on the world stage were an embarrassment. But he was lining up all the Ducks to change the media laws of this land to benefit one man, Murdock.

I'm not big on unions, in fact the quicker Labor arm lengths itself from the unions the better for Australia. But we should also recognize the powerful influence the big end of town has on the Liberal Party.

Meanwhile, middle class Australians, the very heart beat of this nation because our economy depends on their confidence and spending can go and get knotted as long as the unions get their way and/or the big end of town gets their way.

Wish we were a true democracy, but I suppose I'm being ideological..........

Abbott owed Murdoch for all the pre-election support, his first move was to write-off the 700 million which was in dispute with the ATO. His second gift was to engage in guerilla warfare against the ABC, the funding cuts, the frequent threats, tearing down Australia Channel and preventing Coalition MP's from appearing on Q&A. Then came the biggest act of treachery on the Australian people, the dismantling of a state of the art broadband network in order to protect Murdoch's cable interests. Nevermind the economic costs and the fact that the maintenance of the copper will expensive & cumbersome. Changing the media laws was the final act of treason, more extreme homogenised trollop from Murdoch's lapdogs is the last thing we need.

 

[AngryAnt]

Nice work Bulluss.

 

[tigersnake]

You know what sh!ts me about federal politics? The way the right of center scream Union meddling when Labor announce a policy or make a decision. How the conservatives belly ache on about the unions having control of Labor.

Yet nothing is said when the big end of town meddle in the politics of the Liberal Party. Murdock and his tweets last week were proof of the power he holds over the Libs. His papers were unashamed in their bias towards Abbott with headlines in Tuesday's editions lambasting Turnbull.

Shock jocks do Murdock's bidding. Hadley's interview of Morrison was a classic. Yet it backfired completely. Jones' constant dribble about the great legacy of Abbott. Due to their hold on the media they peddle their opinion as fact. How they can say Abbott will be remembered as a great PM is beyond me. He was a slogan only PM. He had no grip on economics and his speeches on the world stage were an embarrassment. But he was lining up all the Ducks to change the media laws of this land to benefit one man, Murdock.

I'm not big on unions, in fact the quicker Labor arm lengths itself from the unions the better for Australia. But we should also recognize the powerful influence the big end of town has on the Liberal Party.

Meanwhile, middle class Australians, the very heart beat of this nation because our economy depends on their confidence and spending can go and get knotted as long as the unions get their way and/or the big end of town gets their way.

Wish we were a true democracy, but I suppose I'm being ideological..........

agree. the Libs have just as many big and ugly back room boys, and are just as factionalised, as Labor. They also are subject to far less scrutiny of their economic performance.

 

[tigersnake]

Abbott owed Murdoch for all the pre-election support, his first move was to write-off the 700 million which was in dispute with the ATO. His second gift was to engage in guerilla warfare against the ABC, the funding cuts, the frequent threats, tearing down Australia Channel and preventing Coalition MP's from appearing on Q&A. Then came the biggest act of treachery on the Australian people, the dismantling of a state of the art broadband network in order to protect Murdoch's cable interests. Nevermind the economic costs and the fact that the maintenance of the copper will expensive & cumbersome. Changing the media laws was the final act of treason, more extreme homogenised trollop from Murdoch's lapdogs is the last thing we need.

Spot on The protecting of vested interests, coal, Murdoch, at the expense of public accountability and our economy was all far too blatant and ham fisted, and ultimately backfired. (To hear Jones and Bolt wimpering in completely bewildered fashion last Tuesday cheered me up a bit)

On coal, it seems he was willing to sell our future down the river for a couple of million bucks.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

The move of government towards a business ideal has made it virtually impotent. Companies negotiate amongst themselves and governments are pressured into accepting the outcome and being spoonfed "announcibles". The return of public projects where self-interest not corporate interest dictates outcomes is what is needed if democracy is to survive. At the moment democracy is broken.