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Michael said:
I certainly disagree with this comment. Utter rubbish.
If I want to make a donation to a charity of my choice, I will. I do not want any government to tell me where to spread my charity.
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im telling anyone where to donate to.
im saying that it is important for government to continue to fund aid.
 
Giardiasis said:
You don't seem to realise that the government is itself comprised of individual people, who have all the same emotions that us other people have. Your last sentence is probably right, but it is entirely subjective to determine what constitutes ongoing crisis, and whether or not something else is more important. Who are you to decide for other people where to spend their money?
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when decisions on funding are made by 'faceless' bureaucrats they are more likely to be based on merit.
unfortunately pollies do get involved and muddy the waters, but without government spending on aid a large portion of charity/aid will be based on who goes down a water slide, rather than on merit and need.
 
Are any of you budding politicians here interested in whether Britain stays in the EU?

Does it affect Australia in any way?
 
Sintiger said:
You said arguably most of aid is wasted, your words. Just straight out wrong. But keep googling if you like. I have said that there is waste, there is waste in all expenditure whether it be private or public.

If political discussion to you means using terms like putting a gun to people's heads then you have lost before you start.

Your argument goes something like this. You know there is waste, arguable most of it, because you are using common sense and you can google. I have experience on the ground but I don't know because my experience doesn't allow me to know about all aid waste.
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If it is flat out wrong, then you should find it easy to demonstrate this. Good luck with that. By the way, some on the ground experience here and there doesn't really cut it, we are talking about $4-5 billion after all. We are both as ignorant as each other.

I'm using colourful language to make a point, but the language itself is not untruthful, it is just unpalatable to people like you that want to pretend that taxation isn't theft. It is you that loses the argument by trying to restrict the language of your opponent.

Actually my fundamental argument is that foreign aid requires theft, theft is wrong, foreign aid via theft is wrong. All the other arguments made about the effectiveness of foreign aid just obfuscate this.
 
Brodders17 said:
when decisions on funding are made by 'faceless' bureaucrats they are more likely to be based on merit.
unfortunately pollies do get involved and muddy the waters, but without government spending on aid a large portion of charity/aid will be based on who goes down a water slide, rather than on merit and need.
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A faceless bureaucrat will more likely spend someone else's money on merit? Are you having a laugh? Well then I guess you should strongly consider handing over more of your hard earned money to these bureaucrats because it will more likely be spent on merit than what you could decide Brodders!
 
antman said:
The Shane Warne Foundation was a great success.
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No one is arguing private charity is exempt from waste and fraud. The difference is that that they have to convince people to give them money, and there is more visibility of their performance, hence they are more likely to better spend the money.
 
Midsy said:
Are any of you budding politicians here interested in whether Britain stays in the EU?

Does it affect Australia in any way?
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I'm not a budding politician, but I'm most definitely interested in Brexit. I doubt it will happen, but if it does then hallelujah!

Brexit will make the demise of the european union quicker, and this might have short term repercussions to financial markets, which could affect Australia. However these repercussions are coming whether we like it or not, so the quicker the better.
 
Giardiasis said:
I'm not a budding politician, but I'm most definitely interested in Brexit. I doubt it will happen, but if it does then hallelujah!

Brexit will make the demise of the european union quicker, and this might have short term repercussions to financial markets, which could affect Australia. However these repercussions are coming whether we like it or not, so the quicker the better.
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I'll do my best...!
 
Its got me buggered why anyone who wasn't rich would vote LNP in this election. Blown out the deficit (that's their own measure too, not mine), stuffed the NBN, repealed the carbon tax just as it was starting to work and most people realized the Big New Tax was a scare campaign and it wasn't a financial drain, the party of 'no we can't'.

And that's just the big stuff, there are a bunch of medium and small stuff-ups as long as your arm.
 
tigersnake said:
Its got me buggered why anyone who wasn't rich would vote LNP in this election. Blown out the deficit (that's their own measure too, not mine), stuffed the NBN, repealed the carbon tax just as it was starting to work and most people realized the Big New Tax was a scare campaign and it wasn't a financial drain, the party of 'no we can't'.

And that's just the big stuff, there are a bunch of medium and small stuff-ups as long as your arm.
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Well the first two would be no different had we an ALP government instead of the LNP, and the last 1 was probably the only good thing the LNP did. Makes perfect sense to me why people would vote for the ALP or LNP, they want the status quo, they believe in government omnipotence, or because they have better things to do then think about politics. What's got me buggered is why people think the major parties are different in any way that matters?
 
Giardiasis said:
Well the first two would be no different had we an ALP government instead of the LNP, and the last 1 was probably the only good thing the LNP did. Makes perfect sense to me why people would vote for the ALP or LNP, they want the status quo, they believe in government omnipotence, or because they have better things to do then think about politics. What's got me buggered is why people think the major parties are different in any way that matters?
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That's why I said they trumpeted the ALP deficit as if they were the worst economic vandals in history, got into power on it, then grew the deficit. Its their measure, not mine, deficits are fine by me as long as its maneagable, which it is. On the last point, its a fair point. But lesser of 2 evils is still less evil. The ALP won't do enough on education, the environment and health, for me personally, but at least they'll do something. The coalition just drag us backwards on all three, which in turn has negative impacts on the economy.
 
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Giardiasis said:
If it is flat out wrong, then you should find it easy to demonstrate this. Good luck with that. By the way, some on the ground experience here and there doesn't really cut it, we are talking about $4-5 billion after all. We are both as ignorant as each other.

I'm using colourful language to make a point, but the language itself is not untruthful, it is just unpalatable to people like you that want to pretend that taxation isn't theft. It is you that loses the argument by trying to restrict the language of your opponent.

Actually my fundamental argument is that foreign aid requires theft, theft is wrong, foreign aid via theft is wrong. All the other arguments made about the effectiveness of foreign aid just obfuscate this.
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I am talking about the holding a gun to the head comment, so of course it is untruthful.

Glad to see you finally accept your ignorance on this subject
 
Ian4 said:
it affects those of us who have British passports.
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Do you see it being detrimental...? British passports will still get you into EU countries for your summer holidays.
 
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