I think you're being generous.
As at October 2015, union membership was 15% of the total work force - 39% in public service jobs and 11% in private industry.
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Talking Politics
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I think you're being generous.
As at October 2015, union membership was 15% of the total work force - 39% in public service jobs and 11% in private industry.
poppa x said:
Fair enough pop I'll take your word for it. Doesn't change the point though, strengthens it in some ways.
Had high hopes for Mal but he's fallen well short.
Shorten does nothing for me either.
Sad state of affairs, not sure how I'll vote.
Shorten does nothing for me either.
Sad state of affairs, not sure how I'll vote.
Baloo said:
how do you justify that? its the LNP that is disorganised. 2 PM's in 3 years and 18 ministerial changes (plus a PM who is hamstring by the right wing nutters in his own party) yet they're the ones using the 'stability' in their promos. the other 2 buzz words they're using is 'jobs and growth.' the performance in this area is far inferior to the previous government, plus they have tripled our debt and made a sh!tload of promises 3 years ago they never kept. how can Australians be so stupid to believe this crap? this is the worst government of my lifetime, yet it appears they are likely to get over the line on Saturday. its enough to make you sick.
tigersnake said:
spot on. I don't understand why people have issues with unions. we would not be the country we are and have the great lifestyle we have today without them. the biggest tragedy is the declining membership. Australians have taken them for granted bigtime. they also founded the labour party I should add.
Tigers of Old said:
that is why you need to give your primary vote to a minor party. don't listen to the crap the LNP, labour and the Murdoch media say about how a minority govt is bad for Australia. they're only saying that to scam people into voting for them. a 25% or more primary vote for minor parties will be the type of kick in the backside the major parties so desperately need. I strongly encourage everyone to do this.
Ian4 said:
100% spot on AND the LNP have had a worse record on economic mgt since Hawke was PM.
On the unions I'm a bit more uneasy especially given the CFA situation which only seems to have arisen because Andrews is beholden to the union. The ALP needs to find a way to get back to being better on social justice issues as well as representing the unions and working class.
IanG said:
Everything I have seen and read since Rudd toppled Howard until now.
Don't get me wrong, I think both parties are crap and will further drag Australia down, but the current ALP are more Union entrenched than any other I can remember and I don't trust them. The only hope I have is that MitM can break free of the tea party shackles and start to lead according to his convictions.
Baloo said:
Yep, the Libs are generally more organized. But I'd rather a disorganized rabble than an organized mob intent on screwing us all over.
Baloo said:
Everything I've read in the past 18 months or so seems to indicate a party thats quite united behind Shorten and is producing better policies than the LNP. Yes they have disagreements over issues like the 'boats' but IMO they seem to be dealing with those behind closed doors.
1eyedtiger said:
Part of the reason they appear more organized is they never do much, and the things they do do are more opaque.
But it is an excellent point 1 eyed, and goes to what I said earlier, it should be about policies.
Why would any regular person, with concerns about the environment, kids in state school, earning an average wage etc, really be so dumb as to vote Turnbull because he speaks well and wears a nice suit and Shorten comes across as a bit of a wooden goose? (that was a rhetorical question unfortunately)
My take on the Unions in the modern world..............
The relationship between workers and bosses especially in small to medium sized business, is stronger and more personal than any worker/union relationship.
These days, workers and bosses tend to be mostly on the same page, with each recognising that they are a team and one can't succeed without the other.
OTH the unions are still fighting class wars, in a society where class is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
Yes - the unions won hard fought wage and conditions campaigns. But those days are well behind us. Time to move on.
Until the unions and other hard left political warriors recognise the changed world, they will continue to lose membership and becoming increasingly irrelevant.
2c.
The relationship between workers and bosses especially in small to medium sized business, is stronger and more personal than any worker/union relationship.
These days, workers and bosses tend to be mostly on the same page, with each recognising that they are a team and one can't succeed without the other.
OTH the unions are still fighting class wars, in a society where class is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
Yes - the unions won hard fought wage and conditions campaigns. But those days are well behind us. Time to move on.
Until the unions and other hard left political warriors recognise the changed world, they will continue to lose membership and becoming increasingly irrelevant.
2c.
poppa x said:
if you consider trying to bridge the gap between the have and have nots class war, then there is nothing wrong with that. its the LNP (especially their conservative branch) that are trying to increase the gap between the rich and the poor. the hard right are the dinosaurs, not the hard left.
the problem is that the LNP have gone from centre-right to hard right without many people noticing (John Howard started it). Turnbull is more centre-right ideologically, but he has sold his soul to the hard right to keep power. that makes him the worst type of human being. I might have strongly disagreed with Abbotts politics, but at least he stood and lived by what he believes in. he was a terrible PM, but has far more credibility than Turnbull for this reason.