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TigerPort

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Respectfully...I disagree. Fitness has a psychological impact. Players use drop shots more late in matches when they are losing. They are trying to end the point early because they know how hard it is to hit the ball accurately and get to the ball with balance. Fitness makes a huge difference. Djokovic used to fall to bits at the Aussie Open in his early career. Injury time-outs, lying down on the court, sulking. He couldn't handle the conditions because his fitness wasn't there and it affected his mental game. The biggest difference in his game is his fitness level. The sulking on court disappeared when he got serious about it. Federer (who I hate) is extremely fit. Murray's natural game gets him into the top 25 - top 20. The thing that got him into the top 5 was his fitness. His ability to stay in points longer and still be hitting the ball with pace and direction 10 shots into a rally. Nadal is a beast. To play from so deep in the court and put the amount of work on the ball he does - again and again and again - takes a massive engine (and a physique like a hermit crab, that left arm is obscene).

Kyrgios has the game to beat anyone. His best chance would be to look at old Djokovic footage, to understand that getting is body into a better place calmed his mind. That is the path for Nick if he wants it. But "if he wants it" is a huge question. His later 2019 and start to 2020 suggests he seems to want it a bit more lately.
Can't find them now but Kyrios' numbers for fitness like total distance run exceeded Nadal's. This was across several fitness stats. I will look for them tomorrow

That is why l believe there is another reason other than fitness
 

KnightersRevenge

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Aug 21, 2007
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Can't find them now but Kyrios' numbers for fitness like total distance run exceeded Nadal's. This was across several fitness stats. I will look for them tomorrow

That is why l believe there is another reason other than fitness
Sure but (amateur statement to follow - I'm no expert) isn't fitness is more about your ability to recover after exertion? Hence why trainers measure not just your heart-rate during exertion but also how quickly it drops back to your resting rate after you stop. That is how you know how fit you are. Nick is young and not carrying a lot of excess mass, so he is capable of exerting himself. Djokovic was always lean and could cover the court. But his recovery as matches got longer left him frustrated. His body shape hasn't changed much but he is much fitter now.
 

eZyT

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Nope, not a popular opinion it's fair to say. I don't mind holding unpopular opinions. :p
me either. But I love Roger. I love how he plays tennis and I love his strange giggling Swiss persona.

I think he's finished though.

He beat the American called tennys (really?) with craftiness. Those match points down, he just hit slices back 10 times until tennys cracked and netted one.

I would give 10-1 on Roger beating Novak

then I think Nadal will beat Novak.
 
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Ridley

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me either. But I love Roger. I love how he plays tennis and I love his strange giggling Swiss persona.

I think he's finished though.

He beat the American called tennys (really?) with craftiness. Those match points down, he just hit slices back 10 times until tennys cracked and netted one.

I would give 10-1 on Roger beating Novak

then I think Nadal will beat Novak.
Yeah Tennys; and he's from Tennessee as well :mhihi

Agree on Roger; reckon he's done. And so he bloody well should be at 38! It's been a remarkable career with outstanding longevity.

He may well remain in the top 5 for another year or so but it's hard to seeing him beating Rafa and Novak again. They have 5 and 6 years on him respectively.
 
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MD Jazz

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Respectfully...I disagree. Fitness has a psychological impact. Players use drop shots more late in matches when they are losing. They are trying to end the point early because they know how hard it is to hit the ball accurately and get to the ball with balance. Fitness makes a huge difference. Djokovic used to fall to bits at the Aussie Open in his early career. Injury time-outs, lying down on the court, sulking. He couldn't handle the conditions because his fitness wasn't there and it affected his mental game. The biggest difference in his game is his fitness level. The sulking on court disappeared when he got serious about it. Federer (who I hate) is extremely fit. Murray's natural game gets him into the top 25 - top 20. The thing that got him into the top 5 was his fitness. His ability to stay in points longer and still be hitting the ball with pace and direction 10 shots into a rally. Nadal is a beast. To play from so deep in the court and put the amount of work on the ball he does - again and again and again - takes a massive engine (and a physique like a hermit crab, that left arm is obscene).

Kyrgios has the game to beat anyone. His best chance would be to look at old Djokovic footage, to understand that getting is body into a better place calmed his mind. That is the path for Nick if he wants it. But "if he wants it" is a huge question. His later 2019 and start to 2020 suggests he seems to want it a bit more lately.
Good obs. Fitness is the massive difference. Djoker is a machine, his ability to chase down everything is amazing. That's not mental, but it must create massive mental problems for his opponents.
 
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lukeanddad

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Yeah Tennys; and he's from Tennessee as well :mhihi

Agree on Roger; reckon he's done. And so he bloody well should be at 38! It's been a remarkable career with outstanding longevity.

He may well remain in the top 5 for another year or so but it's hard to seeing him beating Rafa and Novak again. They have 5 and 6 years on him respectively.
Remarkable that Roger and Lleyton are the same age. Feels like a decade since the latter has played.

Call me old fashioned, but I love anyone who hits a one handed backhand. And that backhand is a thing of beauty.
 
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CarnTheTiges

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Yeah Tennys; and he's from Tennessee as well :mhihi

Agree on Roger; reckon he's done. And so he bloody well should be at 38! It's been a remarkable career with outstanding longevity.

He may well remain in the top 5 for another year or so but it's hard to seeing him beating Rafa and Novak again. They have 5 and 6 years on him respectively.
Not really a fan of Roger, but I was glad he beat Sandgren. Bloke was wearing a Melbourne jumper when they interviewed him!
 
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eZyT

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Call me old fashioned, but I love anyone who hits a one handed backhand. And that backhand is a thing of beauty.
Im the same L&D. Old fashioned, and love the way Roger smacks that one handed backhand. I like a good serve/volley too.

Is Nadal fully blown OCD and getting worse? His rituals seem to be more elaborate and torturous.

the other night, I dont reckon he could step outside the court on the change of ends without his towel. He stopped with his toes on the outside line, calling frantically for his towel. when he got it, he stepped out.

He had heaps of other weird ritual sequences too. Way more than the old bum, nose, ear, ear, hair, before a serve.
 

MD Jazz

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Zerev is a very funny guy, but also has an amazing heart. To promise to donate his entire winnings if he was to win the whole shebang is staggering. I'm barracking for him.
 
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eZyT

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Zerev is a very funny guy, but also has an amazing heart. To promise to donate his entire winnings if he was to win the whole shebang is staggering. I'm barracking for him.
he said that? He's playing for charity?

Go Zeza
 

year of the tiger

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Not really a fan of Roger, but I was glad he beat Sandgren. Bloke was wearing a Melbourne jumper when they interviewed him!
loved Federer in his day but I am now a bit over him these days and get the feeling that he should have retired many years earlier - a bit like an old bloke hanging around schoolies ,

........but it a credit to him that his body is still up to it.
 

TigerForce

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Rafa's got a Razor Ray female version to handle tonight. Has virtually broken his rituals and concentration.
 
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KnightersRevenge

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Remarkable that Roger and Lleyton are the same age. Feels like a decade since the latter has played.

Call me old fashioned, but I love anyone who hits a one handed backhand. And that backhand is a thing of beauty.
Oh I agree. I can't stand the bloke but I love that backhand. The little grubby bloke, Wawrinka - always looks like he needs a good wash and to blow his nose - has an even better one but without the consistency of Roger's. He can bang that thing down the line with serious interest on it when he's up and about.
 

TigerForce

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Oh I agree. I can't stand the bloke but I love that backhand. The little grubby bloke, Wawrinka - always looks like he needs a good wash and to blow his nose - has an even better one but without the consistency of Roger's. He can bang that thing down the line with serious interest on it when he's up and about.
I'll assume you don't like swiss cheese either? :))