Ghost of 29 said:
Sounds good Ghost, if we're confident we can lift RCD's endurance then the same should apply with Ross.
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Top 50 Draft prospects 2018
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Sounds good Ghost, if we're confident we can lift RCD's endurance then the same should apply with Ross.
turk-d-tiger said:
Bold play but I'm with you, given I rated Williams as a first rounder I would have done it, and then you get Bytel who is top 20 quality but might need a bit of time in rehab.
The other factor is we have currency in 2020 due to Rioli junior, can possibly buy back into 2019 with a couple more second round picks, presuming of course that he's on track for a first round selection.
No way I give up a first rounder for a ruck/forward that had questions about his competiveness. In a draft that had the poorest ruck depth in ten years, Williams lasted till pick 35. That has to say something.
And I wouldn’t trade up for a midfielder with back fractures when Ross is sitting there.
We enter next years draft with a strong hand and options to trade two firsts (19 & 20) for a gun and still get MJR in 2020.
Prefer that.
And I wouldn’t trade up for a midfielder with back fractures when Ross is sitting there.
We enter next years draft with a strong hand and options to trade two firsts (19 & 20) for a gun and still get MJR in 2020.
Prefer that.
Maybe Bulldogs or GC didnt want to trade ? Who knows ? Think our recuriting was solid and looks like we have set ourselfs up for a big draft next year ..yeah would have been great to get Williams (maybe there counting on Moore to improve or see Balta as a key forward?) . Dont understand the Jake Aarts rookie selection at all. Chol has potential if he comes good it could solve our reief ruck problem .turk-d-tiger said:
SCOOP said:
When was the last time a GUN got traded for 2 picks around 19 and 20 picks - you need a top 5-10 pick for a gun player if not 2 picks in that range
but i wouldnt mind 2 players that have massive upside with a very late 1st rounder
you also need to consider that we would get these 2 players a year early and would be ready to roll by 2020/2021
I maintain i doubt we were keen on Williams at all, Clark was interviewed twice that i heard (once on RFC pre Draft & once on KB's SEN show the day of the draft & on both occasions he was asked about talls & answered that we went tall last yr & thought as all the decent talls (meaning the ones we rated) would be well gone by our picks so we were going mids this yr. Feel free to check the interviews but what i got from it was even if Williams was there at our picks there is every chance we'd have overlooked him, especially as once we used our 1st pick i felt certain there'd be no trade & post RCD pick Clark had said when interviewed we were likely going for a running player at our next pick. Plus we had to keep picks for next yrs draft too, some Clubs will need to trade just to get back into the Draft next yr, which some are saying whilst the top end next yr isn't the same as this yr it is a bit deeper than this yrs, which given our rookie selections we clearly didn't rate the Draft at that stage.turk-d-tiger said:
SCOOP said:
Keep pointing this out Scoop but Williams isn't a first ruck, he's a forward who can pinch hit in the ruck. You keep knocking his competitiveness but he played a top game in the TAC grand final, he has ticker but like any forward he will have off days. As to why he dropped, who knows completely but his conversion stands as the one eye sore that would have put some suitors off. Champion Data rated him at 80 points for the entire season, that indicates workrate, now if his conversion was 65% instead of 40% he suddenly jumps to 100 points a game which is elite. Nobody in the entire TAC field took more contested marks, that includes Ben King & Noah Gown.
As for Bytel, he's a gun & you have to trust your medical team, Richmond gave him the all clear & was ready to call his name. I don't know a huge amount about Ross & I'm happy he's a Tiger but Turk's mooted trade includes Ross which should keep everyone happy (including yourself I would have thought). I trust our guys with these calls, it's why I'm happy we picked Collier-Dawkins because I have the utmost faith we can get his fitness levels up.
Next year we can still buy back into the draft because the 2020 first is presumably expendable, given we've just nailed two potential A graders with late teen picks I'm sure we'll extract maximum value next year.
But back on Williams, think you'll find it tough to find another player with the same athletic specs next year, it's a midfielders draft & we're good for mids now. Next challenge is to find a talented rebounding defender, something which is doable with a second rounder.
Jonesracing82 said:
Clearly we didn't rate him but the reigning premiers did, so who's right in all this? Only time will tell but West Coast have turned around plenty of rough cut diamonds, Willie Rioli & Liam Ryan a perfect case study, Jack Darling another who was supposedly a bad apple. Definitely watch this space because I reckon Lycett leaving won't hurt them in the slightest.
bullus_hit said:
I get you like Williams Bully, but you also seem to be perpetuating the myth that we were definately about to call out Bytel's name. Is this based on the look on Francis Jacksons face because he always looks like he's swallowed a lemon!
Lots of assumptions floating around but we really have zero facts at all so may be under selling Ross completely.
bullus_hit said:
At least if it does backfire the media won't be all over it, we already have an athletic tall that is a rubbish kick at goal named Moore
It will all make sense in coming yrs, if we'd traded our 1st as someone suggested above then no RCD, unfortunately we can't have them all. OI back the Club in the have done very well recently with a strong hand next yr, others will need to trade back in & could be begging for our picks.
Jonesracing82 said:At least if it does backfire the media won't be all over it, we already have an athletic tall that is a rubbish kick at goal named Moore
It will all make sense in coming yrs, if we'd traded our 1st as someone suggested above then no RCD, unfortunately we can't have them all. OI back the Club in the have done very well recently with a strong hand next yr, others will need to trade back in & could be begging for our picks.
Future first, so it doesn't impact on RCD at all, Doggies didn't get much of a deal from Freo so you'd be pretty confident that it would get across the line.
As for Williams and his kicking, nothing wrong with his technique just went through a rough patch after the state carnival, prior to that he was nailing them from everywhere. My theory is that given he spent so much time in the ruck playing for Vic Country he lost his radar a bit, will bounce back I think.
bullus_hit said:
So a combination of heresay, B.S and the science of body language!
I hope Ross kicks Bytel's ass and buries the myth
Dont Argue said:
Well at the end of the day the club won't say we picked the wrong bloke, in any case time to move on & I hope Ross kicks Bytel's arse too.
The Lurker said:
2020 packaged with 2019
SCOOP said:
Bytel has been cleared to start training by Saints, he has had a swollen disc which might require some treatment but isn't a long term injury. And I know you think Bytel is a bit of a plodder but he did finish second behind Sam Walsh in disposals last year, can also kick on both sides. First round quality for sure which is why Turk's trade is astute & addresses a couple of important list requirements.
And just on stress fractures, one player has lost his career, Matthew Egan, others like Shaun Higgins & Steve Johnson have been sidelined but have come back bigger & better. Even Jack Trengove made it back on an AFL list. You seem to be having it both ways to some degree, Caldwell is worth pick 4 but has had more injuries than the Fall Guy but Bytel is somehow too risky at pick 37.
mate this I don't knowbullus_hit said:
What I do know is is that we tried really really hard, for a long long time
You have to trust them
TigerPort said:
Of course but I would challenge anyone to come up with something better than a Williams/Bytel combo for what will be a late teens pick next year. Two for one deals almost always come out on top. West Coast lost Lycett but ended up getting two players back, including a like for like replacement, that's smart recruiting.
