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DavidSSS

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I would reckon those pro sport players in the cities mentioned above are training well away from the polluted areas.

And, no, it isn't asbestos, but then again, I remember when they were denying that asbestos caused cancer.

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Sir

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Horse racing was called off. I think there are very different opinions on this. Poor air quality can certainly have bad effects on people but everyone reacts differently. I think it's important to be very aware of the unique conditions of every individual. There is no doubt that elite athletes performing at their peak breath in significantly more air than the average person walking down the street. In the poor quality air, particularly as a result of fires, there are a lot of toxins and it makes sense that the more you breathe in, the more toxins you are going to digest. Over time, or even in a short period of time for some (as we've seen in the tennis) this can have very negative effects.

I don't think a blanket approach should be taken on this. The air quality in different areas even within Melbourne can be quite different. This is quite unprecedented. I see many, many locals in Manila walking around with masks on. Obviously they are concerned for their health. Just because the air is poor consistently in other cities doesn't mean we need to follow their lead. Again we shoudn't take a blanket approach but consider the area and individuals when making decisions.
I don't refute that we have this luxury..............

At least we can now understand where the colloquial term comes from:

"White people problems" ................. LOL!!!!

I wonder what the air reading is when I sit by a smoky campfire for 6 hours quenching a hard earned thirst and vainly muttering "white rabbit, white rabbit, white rabbit'

BUT - the latte sippers will say that just makes me a bogan!!!!

LOL!!!!!
 

lamb22

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I don't refute that we have this luxury..............

At least we can now understand where the colloquial term comes from:

"White people problems" ................. LOL!!!!

I wonder what the air reading is when I sit by a smoky campfire for 6 hours quenching a hard earned thirst and vainly muttering "white rabbit, white rabbit, white rabbit'

BUT - the latte sippers will say that just makes me a bogan!!!!

LOL!!!!!
Do you sit up wind or down wind?
 
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Ghost of 29

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No offence to Ghost of 29........

But seriously - when did we all remove logic and brains?

Are we seriously suggesting that 'poor air quality' should stop pro-sports players from training outside?

Wow!

I must assume that there are no pro sportsmen in Delhi, Shanghai, Seoul, Manila, Los Angeles and anywhere else that has higher readings 80% of the year!!!!

When did we become such princesses??????

It doesn't hurt to be cautious for a day (so no harm done) but having visited and worked in every one of the above cities .... and now living in Sydney ..... I can assure you that these 'poor to your health' warnings are a highly exaggerated CROCK!!!!!!

It's not ******* ASBESTOS - it's air with smoky particulate!!!!

Every player that cycles home after training (or anywhere for that matter) and travels alongside traffic - or on the road - sucks up far more damage than 60mins on Punt Road. The irony of the latte sipping outrage/crisis is delicious :)
can assure you I’m not in the latte sipping outrage crowd!!
Just my opinion based on how bad it was out my way. For the 1-2 days of really bad air quality (2nd only to Bangladesh today) train them in a way that minimises any potential harm. You can still flog the bejesus out of them in the gym, pool, boxing.
again only my opinion
 
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Ghost of 29

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Appears I was on the money. Pies, Saints, kangas, Doggies all trained indoors yesterday due to smoke.
 
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tigerlove

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I don't refute that we have this luxury..............

At least we can now understand where the colloquial term comes from:

"White people problems" ................. LOL!!!!

I wonder what the air reading is when I sit by a smoky campfire for 6 hours quenching a hard earned thirst and vainly muttering "white rabbit, white rabbit, white rabbit'

BUT - the latte sippers will say that just makes me a bogan!!!!

LOL!!!!!
Love sitting beside a campfire. Do you try and position your chair to where the smoke is heading or avoid the smoke? I do the latter. Never met anyone who doesn't. Don't drink lattes. I think equating the outflow of a camp fire to that of a real blazing bushfire and the effects of wallowing smog and what it picks up along the way is completely wrong. And I think you under-estimate the potential danger for individuals. People do die. It doesn't focus just on 'white' people. It makes total sense to evaluate conditions before exposing your players/staff/whatever to them if as you say you have the luxury to do so. These conditions are unprecedented across such a large area for so long so early in the summer season (some fires been burning since September). Caution should always be the approach taken. It's not a white person's problem. Check below:

https://www.thedailystar.net/environment/environment-pollution-in-dhaka-bangladesh-18000-died-world-bank-report-1634566
 
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Tony Braxton-Hicks

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FWIW Professor Mark Taylor is an expert on lead exposure (e.g. Mt Isa and Broken Hill), PFOS (in firefighting foams) and all sorts of contamination issues (e.g. at a RAAF base in Newcastle) so he's well credentialled to talk about this topic (in this case it was the NSW fires last month).

This article draws attention to the particular hazards of small particles and the release of lead into the air when trees burn, so we're not just talking about the exhaust of modern vehicles.

Wildfire smoke is characterised by an abundance of tiny particles that are dominated by soil and carbon – that are less than 2.5 µm (there are 1000 µm in a millimetre) – gases and water vapour.

The key indicator for risk is the concentration of 2.5 µm (PM2.5) because research shows there is no safe level of exposure to this particulate matter. Higher short-term (acute) exposures pose a greater risk, especially for those who have respiratory and/or cardiovascular disease...

Other pollutant exposures during wildfires include the release of trace metals from trees that have been exposed over their lifetime. Our previous research of wildfires has shown that industrial lead from gasoline use is re-released into the environment from ashed Australian trees.
 
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caesar

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Nice competitive 2 hour session today, one with the lot, shuttles, 200's, scrimmage work, a bit of game simulation. It was more manic than smooth flowing poetry in motion but I suppose that is a bit the way we play.
Loving today: RCD, Stackman, Shai.

Mystery: No Astbury or Grimes this week, wonder if they are Asthmatic and have been told not to train with smoke haze? Add to that Basha still in rehab so half the backline absent this week.
 
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zippadeee

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Appears I was on the money. Pies, Saints, kangas, Doggies all trained indoors yesterday due to smoke.
Softkoks.
And they wonder why they're so shiit..
Get out there..
Players in the 70's had Darts at qtr time and played.
 
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Dont Argue

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Nice competitive 2 hour session today, one with the lot, shuttles, 200's, scrimmage work, a bit of game simulation. It was more manic than smooth flowing poetry in motion but I suppose that is a bit the way we play.
Loving today: RCD, Stackman, Shai.

Mystery: No Astbury or Grimes this week, wonder if they are Asthmatic and have been told not to train with smoke haze? Add to that Basha still in rehab so half the backline absent this week.
what in particular are you liking about RCD mate? Is he training with purpose and authority or are you liking his improvement from last year?
 
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caesar

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what in particular are you liking about RCD mate? Is he training with purpose and authority or are you liking his improvement from last year?
What I like about RCD this pre-season is:

Confidence seems to have flowed on from his VFL GF performance.
Grown into his body, now looks like a baby faced assassin.
Running capacity seems to have improved, (I am not saying elite by any means as he was coming a fair way back re endurance).
All last pre-season and throughout training last year he seemed to have been managed missing several sessions and sitting out a lot of drills, this year there is no holding back

He is my watch for 2020, good odds on me being wrong though:)
 
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JimJessTorp

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What I like about RCD this pre-season is:

Confidence seems to have flowed on from his VFL GF performance.
Grown into his body, now looks like a baby faced assassin.
Running capacity seems to have improved, (I am not saying elite by any means as he was coming a fair way back re endurance).
All last pre-season and throughout training last year he seemed to have been managed missing several sessions and sitting out a lot of drills, this year there is no holding back

He is my watch for 2020, good odds on me being wrong though:)
Terrifying :oops:

 
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What I like about RCD this pre-season is:

Confidence seems to have flowed on from his VFL GF performance.
Grown into his body, now looks like a baby faced assassin.
Running capacity seems to have improved, (I am not saying elite by any means as he was coming a fair way back re endurance).
All last pre-season and throughout training last year he seemed to have been managed missing several sessions and sitting out a lot of drills, this year there is no holding back

He is my watch for 2020, good odds on me being wrong though:)
Caesar, will there be a training session next week to take the kids to? Need to show the kids what hard work looks like.
 

caesar

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Caesar, will there be a training session next week to take the kids to? Need to show the kids what hard work looks like.
I don't have the inside word on their training schedule but I think this week will be a normal week? Main training days are Monday & Thursday usually starting 9:30. These will be closed sessions but you can still view through the fence either from Punt Road or near the Superstore where there is a bit of cover.
 
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turk-d-tiger

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When is the club due to go to their annual gold coast trip , Did they get the movie world passes for all the kids we now have on the list,New training method - Run to as many rides as you can and make sure dont eat any junk food
 

caesar

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Nice 2 hour session but got distracted chatting to someone so haven't got much to give you.

Astbury and Grimes back today.
Nank did a fair bit of work, may be close to joining the main group?.
Basha has cranked up his running, did some warm up drills, but still not with main group.
Shai doing most drills but then breaking off and doing some grappling work with Graham to strengthen their respective shoulders.
Prestia doing 80% of work.

Aarts doing rehab stuff only.

Looks like we will have a pretty healthy list heading up North to their camp next week.
 
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aoc1974

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Feel free @caesar to just edit, copy and paste the following when it happens please!

Astbury and Grimes and Rance back today.
 
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caesar

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what's wrong with $hai's shoulders?
Shai had a shoulder clean out and is not yet doing full on contested work, not far away i reckon.

This from December 5 injury report:

Shai Bolton, shoulder

"Right now, Shai is back in the rehab group. It was quite minor shoulder surgery, just a clean-up, and he’ll resume non-contact skills with the group starting next week."
 
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