This tiny little localised situation, the Confederate or Jim Crow South, South and North Carolina, Virginia, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, is over double the size of Germany, and has a population, from my very quick look, 30-50% larger. It didn't dissipate, it was forcibly changed by the North in the mid to late 1960s.Your trying to compare a localised (southern USA state) situation that does not have anywhere near the content and scale of actions when compared to an entire nation (Germany) and then trying to bridge the massive gap by making up hypotheticals. And further, the REALITY is, that that smaller localised situation in those southern USA states dissipated snake .....whereas in Germany it went to unfathomable levels. So the southern USA reference doesn't really cut it for me.
You'd be better off making a comparison with Stalin's Russia as an explanation, or reference, as to how events like 1933-45 Germany can eventuate.
I’d suggest that just about every single nation on earth has some history of nasty discrimination-persecution of some sort or another. But on the level and scale and around the same sort of time period that was perpetrated by Nazi Germany between 1933-45 ?This tiny little localised situation, the Confederate or Jim Crow South, South and North Carolina, Virginia, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, is over double the size of Germany, and has a population, from my very quick look, 30-50% larger. It didn't dissipate, it was forcibly changed by the North in the mid to late 1960s.
As for the comparison being valid, you don't think it is, I do. And I'm not the only one. A quick google of 'nazi Germany and the American South' delivered a lot, a stack of comparative studies. just one example of many:
Grill, SC, Jenkins RL, 1992. The Nazis and the American South in the 1930s: A Mirror Image. The Journal of Southern History, 58(4) 667-94.
Anyway we've hijacked the *smile* out of the thread, sorry everyone.
TV: The US and the Holocaust. 2022. 3 part 6 hour series directed by Ken Burns, thoroughly recommend it.
I'm not anti-American, I love America. You're barking up the wrong tree and missing the point IMO. Moving on.I’d suggest that just about every single nation on earth has some history of nasty discrimination-persecution of some sort or another. But on the level and scale and around the same sort of time period that was perpetrated by Nazi Germany between 1933-45 ?
To simply take the 1930’s southern USA (a strange selection – not even a country and without anywhere near the level and scale of atrocities committed and ultimately dismantled by the people as well) – and then sort of simply say “ah well…all humans are like that….look at the southern states of the USA ….there’s your answer”) is really lazy imo and doesn’t come anywhere near to answering why and how the insane things that eventuated in Germany and across the entire world did.
And racial persecution wasn’t the only heinous activities by Nazi Germany anyway. Invading countries, deep and broad suppression and criminal activities perpetrated upon non-Jews….their own people !!!…and so on and so on. Again, makes reference to 1930’s southern USA really lazy.
I normally enjoy your political thoughts, but this hasn’t been your best posting. Maybe your uber strong leftist views, anti-America, anti-capitalist outlooks are clouding your judgement a bit here ?
Doesn’t matter anyway. Reading more today on the period, the Nazi Party etc. think I’ve got as good an explanation as I’m gonna develop, and 1930’s Jim Crow policy in the southern states of the USA certainly doesn’t have much place in it. As explained, oranges and apples situations.
Moving on.
Nah I've got all the points I need and yours isn't part of them. Might have been different if you raised the massive anti-communist massacres of China during the 1930’s eg Kuomintang, Jiangxi etc or the immense Russian purges lead by Stalin for decades. They'd have been far more relative.I'm not anti-American, I love America. You're barking up the wrong tree and missing the point IMO. Moving on.
I watched 3 eps, it was ok but not enough to keep me watchingAnyone watched Beef yet?
yeah, it's good.2 episodes in to Rogue Heroes on SBS and this is my new favourite show. Great eccentric characters, crackling dialogue. Its about the formation of the SAS in WW2 but is not a typical war series/film.
Ripper soundtrack too2 episodes in to Rogue Heroes on SBS and this is my new favourite show. Great eccentric characters, crackling dialogue. Its about the formation of the SAS in WW2 but is not a typical war series/film.