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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

Ridley

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Bastards did it again! They’re still trying to throw us off our game by paying us free kicks.
We all know they’re up to something Willo. They don’t fool me for a second.

WCE in Perth next week. Look out!
 
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tigertim

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Was it Dimma making comment? Or playing at neutral venues? Dunno but it's been a long time coming and I hope it's here to stay.
 
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Mr Brightside

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Lol
Did I miss a shout?
I wouldn’t have a clue , Taz an I could have solved the worlds pollution problems with the amount of times we’ve put into working out who’s shout it is , lol I think some weeks I shout 15 rounds , some weeks haven’t got the card out of my pocket
 
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The Big Richo

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What method do you see?

We had 380 disposals last night, third most all season, our kick to handball rate is higher, third most kicks we've had all season. Contested possession down, uncontested possession way up. Uncontested marks way up.

There's no doubt we have changed our style significantly in the past two weeks and it most closely matches what we did against the Bulldogs. I think we picked something up from that game and have run with it, because those three games are distinctly different statistically to just about everything we have done over the past few years.

And guess how we went in the free kick count each time?

If you ask me if it's game style or the barely even a criticism, wet lettuce leaf Hardwick used in the Brisbane game, I know what my money is on.
 
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Willo

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We had 380 disposals last night, third most all season, our kick to handball rate is higher, third most kicks we've had all season. Contested possession down, uncontested possession way up. Uncontested marks way up.

There's no doubt we have changed our style significantly in the past two weeks and it most closely matches what we did against the Bulldogs. I think we picked something up from that game and have run with it, because those three games are distinctly different statistically to just about everything we have done over the past few years.

And guess how we went in the free kick count each time?
I thought you previously said it was because Lynch and Pickett were out. Or was that just last weeks game?
 

The Big Richo

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I thought you previously said it was because Lynch and Pickett were out. Or was that just last weeks game?

I've always said it's a combination of individuals and the team approach. But if the team style changes then so does a lot of the individual styles as well. Like if we make a decision to kick to uncontested targets more, it changes the whole landscape of the game.

Not having Nankervis in the side will always boost your free kick differential because he attacks players ferociously and is a bit clumsy and that will always lead to the odd free kick. Same with Pickett.
 
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TigerForce

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We had 380 disposals last night, third most all season, our kick to handball rate is higher, third most kicks we've had all season. Contested possession down, uncontested possession way up. Uncontested marks way up.

There's no doubt we have changed our style significantly in the past two weeks and it most closely matches what we did against the Bulldogs. I think we picked something up from that game and have run with it, because those three games are distinctly different statistically to just about everything we have done over the past few years.

And guess how we went in the free kick count each time?

If you ask me if it's game style or the barely even a criticism, wet lettuce leaf Hardwick used in the Brisbane game, I know what my money is on.
You could be right. Let's see if these x and y align from now on.
 

Barkdog

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TBR, I dont always agree with everything you write, but you explanation of the non holding the ball call against the WB? guy that went for like 20 pages, at least stacked up with the non call against Grimey last night. Clearly even Richo doesnt understand the interpretation cos he banged on about it for a bit
 
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The Big Richo

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TBR, I dont always agree with everything you write, but you explanation of the non holding the ball call against the WB? guy that went for like 20 pages, at least stacked up with the non call against Grimey last night. Clearly even Richo doesnt understand the interpretation cos he banged on about it for a bit

Yeah spot on, it was the same thing. I posted in the gameday thread at the time the commentators don't know the rules.

No prior, made a genuine attempt to dispose and ball spilled out in tackle, play on.

We on PRE are educated in these things now but most people are not.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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I've always said it's a combination of individuals and the team approach. But if the team style changes then so does a lot of the individual styles as well. Like if we make a decision to kick to uncontested targets more, it changes the whole landscape of the game.

Not having Nankervis in the side will always boost your free kick differential because he attacks players ferociously and is a bit clumsy and that will always lead to the odd free kick. Same with Pickett.
Still skeptical, we had 7 of our worst 9 offenders on the park and got a better than average run.

Suspect it's either a statistical aberration or perhaps the result of an umpiring "realignment" after a civil enquiry by the club following the Brisbane game.
 
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DavidSSS

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At the end of this round we will still have the lowest free kicks for, it seems the trend of opposition playing like angels against us continues. Before this game Essendon were conceding 18 free kicks per game, last night it was 17. It's just they didn't get their usual 19.7 this week.

But it is nice not to get reamed every week and I see the umpires have decided Richmond players do have heads after all, now we just have to convince them that they are sacrosanct.

The umpires performance in the game against Brisbane was so bad they have had to lift their game, about time really.

DS
 

The Big Richo

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Yeah spot on, it was the same thing. I posted in the gameday thread at the time the commentators don't know the rules.

No prior, made a genuine attempt to dispose and ball spilled out in tackle, play on.

We on PRE are educated in these things now but most people are not.

I just watched the footage of Cornes talking and while he does understand the process of the rules regarding prior, he is making a common mistake regarding player movement in a tackle.

He is suggesting Grimes raising his arms in the tackle to keep the ball free is prior, in the same way trying the break a tackle is prior and that isn't correct but is is a common misconception.

To be considered prior when you haven't actually had time and space with the ball, you have to have actively tried to avoid the tackle. Lifting your arms isn't trying to break a tackle, it's part of trying the dispose of the ball by keeping your arms free. Running into the tackler isn't prior unless you are side stepping or ducking or spinning or fending or doing something else to specifically try and avoid the tackle.
 
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Sintiger

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We had 380 disposals last night, third most all season, our kick to handball rate is higher, third most kicks we've had all season. Contested possession down, uncontested possession way up. Uncontested marks way up.

There's no doubt we have changed our style significantly in the past two weeks and it most closely matches what we did against the Bulldogs. I think we picked something up from that game and have run with it, because those three games are distinctly different statistically to just about everything we have done over the past few years.

And guess how we went in the free kick count each time?

If you ask me if it's game style or the barely even a criticism, wet lettuce leaf Hardwick used in the Brisbane game, I know what my money is on.
I don’t think we have changed that much with the only thing that I can see is a decision to not kick down the line as much and replace it with possession and switch. That would account for high marks and high kicks which translates to high possession .
It was noted in the call last night that we have been the highest kick down the line side in the league. We seem to have changed that.
I am sure that is deliberate , maybe it is partly that lynch is out but also Astbury who are often targets of the kick down the line
 
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Ice

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no suprise our DTL stats are low with DTL Dave out of the side
 
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MD Jazz

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I thought you previously said it was because Lynch and Pickett were out. Or was that just last weeks game?
It's OK He makes it up as he goes. They changed the handball rule about 10 years ago, just ask him. Except he can't find anywhere showing when they did it. But he spoke to an umpire so knows they changed the interpretation.

He analyses games and regularly gets called on missed frees.

So now we've changed our game (he probably went down with tackling technique tips for the boys) plan and that is the reason. Except someone will point out the statistical flaw in that argument and he'll move the goal posts again.

Now he's trying to say the Bulldogs game was where it changed? The Bulldogs second half was as traditional Richmond as it gets, a manic front half pressure game. They barely got the ball over half way. And we won the free kick count.

TBR - now known as "to be revised"
 
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eZyT

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I thought that was the best “rub of the green” frees we’ve had in years. Not sure the game was umpired well, however definitely liked the let it go , play on more, maybe the umps thought *smile* it we can’t work out the rules will just let it go.

maybe we are winning

the war on the AFL?
 
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