HTB/ incorrect disposal still a raffle. What I'm finding strange ATM is the commentators views are a raffle as well. A perfect example of this was a free against Guelfi in the Hawthorn fwd line last night. He grabbed the ball in a pack, then just held on to it standing up in a big pack of players kind of waving the ball around a bit, not even a fake attempt at handball. Got spun around and jostled by the pack for ages, ump hgave him ages to make an attempt, his arms weren't even pinned, but he was carrying on as if he was miming that they were. Then finally blew the whistle for holding the ball. It was HTB all day long, fair dinkum. The Ess players carried on, and the commentators, led by Richo, all said 'geez thats a bit rough' etc. WTH?