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Welcome to Richmond Seth Campbell
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Young goes past him like his not even there.
That's enough for me. Dosent touch the ball and on top can't tackle
Agree, but also, a SF has to find the goals. He hasn't for many games now ... and Mansell hardly has that much either for a far more experienced player.
A major part of the role is to find a goal or two most games. We used to have 3 guys who did that; even if different ones bobbed up from game to game, but they often kicked a combined bag in the glory days!
Now it's a SF drought. MRJ signs of improvement, then went backwards today. You're playing as a forward. The goals are right there. You have to be good enough to make opportunities and take them. Hardly anyone could find a goal whether from set-shots or snaps in 1st half. Game over.
It's just so ordinary for an AFL team: was it 1.7?
Only 1 Geelong player under the age of 21 has played more than 2 AFL games this year.
We have twice that amount.
Smelbourne just beat the previously unbeaten Geelol and had 5 players under 10 games - as Goodwin himself said. So young players don't have to hold you down necessarily. Salty put his superstar Jezza on Windsor at least some of the time but he came off second best!
It's especially who's playing around them as well as how good the youngsters are.
But that also means he still had 18 matured and experienced senior players in the key roles to support the young kids in their learning. Just a little bit different to our situation.
Its funny how hard it is for some posters.
I think it was EZY who posted the limit of players under 50 games before the team's chances of winning dropped away significantly.
Something like 5 youngsters in the side is enough to unsettle and likely be a loss.
Campbell, Sonz, Dow, Lefau, Banks, Ralphsmith, Young, Miller, Brown, MJ
Yes and they are generally playing easier supporting roles. We are having to force ours to be the driving force. Its a chalk and cheese scenario.
If you look a bit deeper its obvious. Their under 10 game players were:
Windsor - a pick 7 btw - 8th game - 18 disposals
Woewodin - 10th game - 12 disposals
Howes - 8th game - 9 disposals
Turner - 5th game - 5 disposals
Laurie - was the sub - 8th game - 1 disposal
Melbourne actually had 8 platers below 50 games (the Cats had only 2), so the other 3 were:
McVee - 33rd game - this guy was an excellent pickup from the WAFL
Van Rooyen - 28th game - 7 disposals
Chandler - 41st game - 6 disposals
So essentially out of those 8, only 1 really had a sizeable impact on the game, possibly should include McVee in there, but they had all their stars to lead them. Their best were clearly the likes of May, Oliver, Lever, Petracca, Viney and Gawn.
Where are our leaders? Pretty much all of them are on the treatment table. Its super hard to compete without them.
We had 12 players with less than 50 games playing:
Sonsie - 14th game - 18 disposals
Brown - 7th game - 17 disposals
Dow - 25th game - 15 disposals
RalphSmith - 35th game - 14 disposals
Young - 26th game - 14 disposals
Banks - 11th game - 13 disposals
Miller - 31st game - 11 disposals
Campbell - 8th game - 9 disposals
Rioli - 34th game - 8 disposals
Mansell - 39th game - 8 disposals
Lefau - 6th game - 8 disposals
Naismith - 33rd game - 6 disposals
The point is you expect that your leaders with greater than 100 games are the ones that will drive your side, with those in the 50-100 game bracket providing the upside as your older players drop off. Your under 50 gamers aren't really expected to be driving our side, they are getting experience and will play supporting roles but 12 out of 23 in the side is just going to lead to a generally uncompetitive position.
Our balance in our side both positionally and the sheer number of inexperienced players we are being forced to play has gone way past critical mass, and we are seeing that with our results. We are trying to protect the defensive side which means scoring will be severely impacted, as we have seen.
IMO the reaction on here to Sunday is way over the top. We were never going to be competitive, until we can get Hopper, Taranto, Balta and Lynch back in the time. All 4 of those guys are so important to the way that we remain competitive.
Correct, 12 out of the 23, so more than half of our side has less than 50 games experience, and we expect them to perform against seasoned pros.
There's one thing I think you need to add to this. The Dee's are still playing the same gameplan which means those guys who have been there for more than 1 year have roles and patterns that they know and can run too.
We are changing and have changed our gameplan. That is noticeable at training. Watching us against Freo there were times where (and this is my terminilogy) we "zigged" rather than "zagged". At training we zag but under gameday pressure and not being fully aligned and some of last year and before slipping in we revert and we're not all aligned.
When we have a little more time (create more time/space) we get the Marlion passes to 30 meters out from goal. Which is incidently what we train.
we have to take it on the chin , this year was a finals write off when Lynch went down
we have to look at pick #2 and go oh well compensation and with the bank of picks we have play them as best we can with the Academy and Father Son Clubs
hopefully thru consistent games we can properly assess Dow , Sonsie , Campbell , Brown , Ralphsmith, Naismith, MRJ , Mansell , Banks, McAuliffe etc
there will be quite some deck shuffling at the end of the year
We've seen with MRJ how form and confidence can fluctuate wildly with inexperienced players so we want to give our footy dept the best chance of picking the right ones to keep
the coaching and leadership group have a tough job ahead trying to keep spirits up so that the coming games have development worth for that young group
Think he needs to go back to the VFL (with his armour of learnings) and get leather poisoning and more confidence. There is only so much you can gain and learn from getting a hand full of touches every week (unless u are playing as a defender).
Yes, TM, but if you read my full post, that's included as part of it - "It's especially who's playing around them as well as how good the youngsters are."
The young fella was flogged out a week or 2 before the bye, shown enough to persist with so now its time to look at someone else in his role.
Couthard and Smith need a block of games so a call can be made on there futures come seasons end.
Couthard and Smith need a block of games so a call can be made on there futures come seasons end.
