Coronavirus

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

For COVID to kill as many people as the flu this year it will need to infect 24,000,000 people, which requires a daily increase of 92,000 a day for the rest of the year.

There were more than 40,000 new cases yesterday. That daily rate is rapidly escalating. We're only at the beginning of this tragedy.

At the end of this we will be left with estimates only since poor countries lack the resources to diagnose and keep count. The mortality rate is above 4.5% and climbing. It's a brave man who wagers that infections won't reach 24m, or indeed will stop there.

 

[Wildride]

This suggests Australia's elderly are isolating themselves pretty well, as they're obliged to do. The rest of us, not so well.

I think this chart shows how most cases in Aus still from people returning from travel, in the key age groups of 20-29 through to 60-69. Stop the travellers and keep them isolated and we may still have a chance to significantly flatten the curve.

 

[tigerlove]

I’d back everyday people over those IQ morons in parliament any day.

Really? Lol. You need to get around a bit more (not now, after the virus subsides).

 

[Bill James]

Link to Latest Italian Stats

Still no deaths under 30

Still 95% of deaths over 60

Still 74% of infections over 50

The sooner the world acknowledges the differences in infection, transmission, severity and lethality in the age demographics, the quicker we can target our isolation and care at high risk areas.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I think this chart shows how most cases in Aus still from people returning from travel, in the key age groups of 20-29 through to 60-69. Stop the travellers and keep them isolated and we may still have a chance to significantly flatten the curve.

Yeah tourists will be a big percentage of cases so far.

Newspapers reporting that some Ruby Princess passengers are taking legal action against the government. Given the cruise departed on March 8, I hope those idiots end up giving all their money to lawyers. Imbeciles.

 

[Giardiasis]

How hard is it to spend a few weeks/months doing the right thing? If we did we could overcome it with the least amount of damage to the economy and life.

Unfortunately, we are a society of entitled selfish *****. They are not going to be the ones that suffer and die. Its the old and frail. And trhe longer term consequences for the economy will be worse.

Unthinking? You think you have a better way? You think doing the right thing is compliant?

Taking a wrecking ball to people’s lives (not just livelihoods) to prevent something we don’t really understand the consequences of? The state of the financial system is on a knife edge, the actions governments have taken will allow them to say they are saving lives and the economy falling over, well they’ll just blame capitalism.

A lot of people are quick to accept the government’s draconian measures without thinking what this will cost them in the long run. All our locations will be available to the government through our phones, cash will be banned so the government can have full control of the money supply and like the link I already posted people will be denied trials.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Real time data update of cases in Victoria released just now online by Victorian Chief Health Officer, Prof Brett Sutton.
Most excellent again by him & his team.

Microsoft Power BI

app.powerbi.com

 

[tigerlove]

Every government is in panic, except maybe Trump (the one who should be most worried) yet every average joe has an opinion on what should be done. Just listen to what the government says and do what you're told and we'll be fine. We need to rely on the medical experts guiding the government. Australia traditionally gets through bad times pretty well in comparison to others.

It's clear, this virus has the ability to cause significant harm through overloading the health system. We're not trying to eradicate it, we're trying to spread the spread timewise. If it becomes clear that the spread is not being contained enough we will undoubtedly go into lockdown. The governments have a handle on this, let them do their job and stop the complaining. No-one here is an expert at this. Do your bit to limit the spread.

 

[Baloo]

The sooner the world acknowledges the differences in infection, transmission, severity and lethality in the age demographics, the quicker we can target our isolation and care at high risk areas.

How? The most efficient way we’ve seen to segregate and isolate a large portion of the community has been the German method from the 30s and 40s. Not very nice but effective.

Using age as the determining factor might make it simpler, but how safe do we want the rest of the community to be? Maybe everyone 45 and over just to make sure everyone else is safe.

Quick question. Once we’ve isolated the high and medium risk, do we provide medical care for them? If so, to what extent? I mean we don’t want to stop and otherwise healthy 40yo from getting a heart bypass if required.

Or maybe we just pass an enforced euthanasia law so the rounded up oldies don’t stick around too long thus eliminating any pangs of guilt some of the more sensitive younger people might have?

 

[Tigers of Old]

Strong statement just now from the Premier.

 

[Baloo]

Just listen to what the government says and do what you're told and we'll be fine. We need to rely on the medical experts guiding the government. Australia traditionally gets through bad times pretty well in comparison to others.

Which Government when Federal and State are giving contradicting messages?

the Government was whose leader delayed banning mass gatherings so he could watch his NRL team play live and his wacky religious brethren could finish their conferences?

the people will listen to a leader who inspires trust, confidence and clear direction. It’s what the people are looking for in these times. But you need a leader to lead, not a public servant to preside in these times. That’s the issue Australia has right now.

Gladys and Andrew are making the Fed Gov look completely out of their depth. Australia is lucky that it seems those two are really calling the shots here.

 

[tigerlove]

Which Government when Federal and State are giving contradicting messages?

the Government was whose leader delayed banning mass gatherings so he could watch his NRL team play live and his wacky religious brethren could finish their conferences?

the people will listen to a leader who inspires trust, confidence and clear direction. It’s what the people are looking for in these times. But you need a leader to lead, not a public servant to preside in these times. That’s the issue Australia has right now.

Gladys and Andrew are making the Fed Gov look completely out of their depth. Australia is lucky that it seems those two are really calling the shots here.

The message is pretty clear to me. Maybe the average Aussie is dumber than we think. Which part do you not understand? I'm happy to explain it to you.

 

[MD Jazz]

Taking a wrecking ball to people’s lives (not just livelihoods) to prevent something we don’t really understand the consequences of? The state of the financial system is on a knife edge, the actions governments have taken will allow them to say they are saving lives and the economy falling over, well they’ll just blame capitalism.

A lot of people are quick to accept the government’s draconian measures without thinking what this will cost them in the long run. All our locations will be available to the government through our phones, cash will be banned so the government can have full control of the money supply and like the link I already posted people will be denied trials.

So what is your alternative? They are trying to strike a balance between keeping the economy running and reducing the death toll from the virus. Its an unenviable position. Are you willing to sacrifice your parents? Grandparents?

We may get a look at what business as usual looks like if Trump gets his way. Lucky they've all got guns.

The cost in the long run may be greater if we allow it to run through society unchecked?

I don't understand why we are not getting more info on how people are getting infected so as to better protect ourselves unless they simply do not know?

 

[TT33]

Which Government when Federal and State are giving contradicting messages?

the Government was whose leader delayed banning mass gatherings so he could watch his NRL team play live and his wacky religious brethren could finish their conferences?

the people will listen to a leader who inspires trust, confidence and clear direction. It’s what the people are looking for in these times. But you need a leader to lead, not a public servant to preside in these times. That’s the issue Australia has right now.

Gladys and Andrew are making the Fed Gov look completely out of their depth. Australia is lucky that it seems those two are really calling the shots here.

Well I live in Victoria so I'll do what Dan says, he's a far more decisive leader than namby pamby Scumo.
A Liberal voting mate of mine was bemoaning the lack of "spine" that the current PM had, he was dirty that Dan wasn't the Libs leader.

 

[Baloo]

The message is pretty clear to me. Maybe the average Aussie is dumber than we think. Which part do you not understand? I'm happy to explain it to you.

Maybe we are all dumber than you if we feel the Fed Gov has handled this a lot worse than State governments.

But only maybe.

 

[TigerPort]

I think Sco-Mo really needed to apply the KISS principle to all this stuff.

Not sure why they didn't just pull the trigger on a total stoppage.

Tell everyone you can only have one person leave your house to buy food for a month and use all the money being thrown out to spot everyone's wages in that time.

The problem with a total shut down is the question of when to come out of it. To be absolutely sure that the virus has been eradicated you would need to have tested every single person in the country. If even one person still has it when you come out of lock down then you are back at square 1.

This is not a short term thing. The Government is saying six months but listen to what Morrison said a few times in answering questions - that this will be with us for a very very long time. Estimates of 12 to 18 months before a vaccine is available then more time to get everyone vaccinated.

Go into total lock down then yes the virus hits a brick wall but then, if this thing goes into next year, the supply of food, electricity and medical assistance becomes stressed and we are all in a world of hurt.

 

[tigerlove]

Well I live in Victoria so I'll do what Dan says, he's a far more decisive leader than namby pamby Scumo.
A Liberal voting mate of mine was bemoaning the lack of "spine" that the current PM had, he was dirty that Dan wasn't the Libs leader.

Well of course you should be doing what Dan says, he has jurisdiction over schools, hospitals, conservation and environment, roads, railways and public transport, public works, agriculture and fishing, industrial relations, community services, sport and recreation, consumer affairs, police, prisons and emergency services.

 

[MD Jazz]

The message is pretty clear to me. Maybe the average Aussie is dumber than we think. Which part do you not understand? I'm happy to explain it to you.

Agree. Its *smile* simple. Stay at home if you can. Go to work, keep your distance and go home. Only go to shops if you have to and observe distance. Wash your hands and don't touch your face. Don't have social gatherings. Tell your kids they have to stay home. If they want to go out tell them to take a gun and shoot some old people to get the deaths over quicker.

Those complaining about mixed messaging are playing politics. Scomo was good last night, under unimaginable pressure. Those wanting to blame the governments will have plenty of opportunity over the coming months.

 

[tigerlove]

Maybe we are all dumber than you if we feel the Fed Gov has handled this a lot worse than State governments.

But only maybe.

I'm not politicising it at all. I don't see the point at this time. It's something for another day. There are state and federal jurisdictions. You need to listen and understand BOTH. As I said I am happy to help you with your questions on what you don't understand exactly.

 

[tigerlove]

Agree. Its ******* simple. Stay at home if you can. Go to work, keep your distance and go home. Only go to shops if you have to and observe distance. Wash your hands and don't touch your face. Don't have social gatherings. Tell your kids they have to stay home. If they want to go out tell them to take a gun and shoot some old people to get the deaths over quicker.

Those complaining about mixed messaging are playing politics. Scomo was good last night, under unimaginable pressure. Those wanting to blame the governments will have plenty of opportunity over the coming months.

Exactly. Today's world, no matter what we're having to contend with, seems to end up with a political debate rather than the issue at hand. Pretty sad really.

I haven't been out of home for 3 days. Next time will be to go shopping and that's it. 2nd day at home from school for my kids. They can study at home, they do their ballet with teachers online , otherwise games, they have their backyard. My older parents have stayed home for a week. We will bring them supplies when they need it. No children visits. All the things we've been told to do. It needs people to apply themselves, not whinge and complain about the political party they didn't vote for.