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U.S Presidential Election
- Thread starter Chiang Mai Tiger
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Post #100 accepting that living under a dictatorship is fine and that you should respect law and order, no matter how oppressive, and ask nicely if the nice dictator will allow you some freedom.
Delusional as usual.
DS
Yes, some overlap, but coming from very different directions.
What also causes confusion is that the free market right in the USA have co-opted the term libertarian, but anarchists have, for over 100 years, also been referred to as libertarian-communists.
You can see where the confusion arises.
DS
You're labelling the United States a dictatorship and calling me delusional in the same breath?
GTFO of here, David.
This guy is only giving an opinion with no evidence to back up his theory that the virus excaped from the Wuhan lab. Zero credibility until we hear some evidence.
When we get a PM I can't stand?
I don't know, I've been lucky to live in a country that's relatively politically stable. All the more reason not to change horses to a republic.
I lived under a military dictatorship for a number of years, but only as a privileged foreigner. It didn't look much like the USA, but I was sure as hell out on the street when the chance came to bring it to it's end.
In China they pretty much just straight up kill their citizens by comparison with this kind of unrest.
Apparently the freedom-loving right on this site are now telling us we shouldn't be allowed to take kids to a demonstration. Apparently, if you have children, you lose the free-speech right to go to a demo unless you can get child minding or are willing to risk the repressive arm of the state harming your kids. [sarcasm] Wow, sounds just like the peace loving society I'd want to be part of [/sarcasm]. I dunno, maybe we shouldn't take kids to the footy either, they could be harmed, but then again, Gil brought in those crowd control thugs which the freedom-loving right wingers here had no problem with 'cos that's all fine. After all, you take the risk if you let your children out of the house, apparently. We just shouldn't expect to be able to venture out of our well defended bunkers with our kids should we??
DS
Of course you should be able to take a child to a protest. Everyone should be able to be there. It should be safe for all.
But only a self-indulgent *smile* would. Eg some rabid left wing ideologue. Or rabid right wing ideologue.
What's the context here?
At face value it's a vehicle fleeing from police that gets caught up in traffic, whereupon the occupants disobey police orders to exit the vehicle.
Happy for the full story to be given.
I guess that's the difference in thinking. On face value there is no indication at all they were fleeing police
Who knows the intent, but my guess is that people take children to a public protest as a symbolic and visible act of peace and community.
In other words the intent is to say - we come in peace.
And to hold up the child as a symbol, because for many protesters it is an action to improve the situation for their children.
Of course the intent to participate a peaceful protest may not be the reality!
Emotions running high, diverse groups and agendas in any crowd, and no way to control what eventuates..
And from the photo it appears that the father is in a confrontational position and provoking a response.
Walking up to a police line in riot gear isnt so smart or peaceful.
Raising guns when children are nearby isnt a great way to de-escalate a protest against police brutality either
(though the photo may be misleading, so I'm not judging that police action)
In other words the intent is to say - we come in peace.
And to hold up the child as a symbol, because for many protesters it is an action to improve the situation for their children.
Of course the intent to participate a peaceful protest may not be the reality!
Emotions running high, diverse groups and agendas in any crowd, and no way to control what eventuates..
And from the photo it appears that the father is in a confrontational position and provoking a response.
Walking up to a police line in riot gear isnt so smart or peaceful.
Raising guns when children are nearby isnt a great way to de-escalate a protest against police brutality either
(though the photo may be misleading, so I'm not judging that police action)
Exactly. Perception is reality. The fact that police were running after the vehicle, the occupants having the doors locked and refusing to get out when ordered, the driver briefly attempting to drive off, and the police using force to open the doors all suggest to me they may have done something... wrong?
I'm trying not to see it all one way, but disobeying a copper is the stumbling block. Maybe they were confused and frightened. Maybe. I'm trying hard. It might be enlightening if the lead-up wasn't edited out.
