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The stand rule???
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It is an ugly anti-football rule introduced without trial or reasoned consideration.
It has had a significant impact on the way the game is played and is detrimental to the spectacle of the sport.
The implementation of this rule is a purulent blight on Australian Rules Football and shackles it's spirit. The AFL, however, don't care. They just don't care.
It has had a significant impact on the way the game is played and is detrimental to the spectacle of the sport.
The implementation of this rule is a purulent blight on Australian Rules Football and shackles it's spirit. The AFL, however, don't care. They just don't care.
Despite this thread having "The Stand Rule" as it's title it has gone on to discuss the broader rule changes.
The Stand Rule is truly awful and does help the chip mark game, not a huge help, but enough to make a difference in a professional sport where small advantages mean a lot.
I think the other rule which is not getting enough attention, the player on the mark when kicking out from a behind being so far away from the kicker, is allowing teams to get the ball right out of their defensive 50 quickly and easily. The whole strategy of holding the ball in your attacking 50 has become so much harder and that was a feature of our game.
I don't know if the stats can reveal this, but the pressure game just seems a little bit less effective this year. We have not maintained the pressure game so well, but the teams who are up the top are not playing the pressure game which won us 3 flags which tells me something has changed.
In such a close competition small changes can have a big impact. Look at cycling and Team Sky with their incremental changes winning them multiple Tours de France, the point is that it only took incremental changes to get that 1 team to the point where they were dominant for maybe 5 years. This is the way in top levels of a particular sport, the difference between top and a couple of rungs below is measured in very small advantages.
DS
Yeah , another rule I hate. And they seem to run 20 or 30 metres without bouncing the ball sometimes.
They would argue "it worked", lead to "more open play and "scoring".
The 2 best forward half turnover teams were us and port Adelaide in 2020. We both loved playing the game in our forward half. Lock it in and prevent teams an easy outlet. A big part was forcing a long kick to a contest. The stand rule has provided the ball carrier more options. The 45 short kick either side of the man on the mark is now available. The pressure and perceived pressure we could create on the player with the ball has reduced. So we aren’t getting the opportunity to turn it over from that long kick. If you think this hadn’t impacted our game plan you have rocks in your head.
this is spot on carter. We conceded the switch because it actually allowed time for defensive setup. We always conceded the short kick out from behinds to the pocket because we were setup well further behind the ball. As you suggest raw stats do not show the full story. It’s where those uncontested marks are taken. We haven’t been able to lock the ball in our forward half. It’s part personnel but a big part rules changes.
The Stand Rule is a blight on the game of Olde. You can analyise this stat & that stat but the final analysis is both sides take advantage of it. Those that have the most advantage win it by having more possessions. Now is it good for the game like that kiicking in from the point rules. I do not think so
Some teams are drilled for short pass transition. There’s an art to it in today’s footy and it is by no means easy.
We are not drilled for it. Painfully obvious when we tried it against St Kilda.
Stand rule almost demands short pass transition if a fast break up the guts isn’t an option.
They *smile* us
We are not drilled for it. Painfully obvious when we tried it against St Kilda.
Stand rule almost demands short pass transition if a fast break up the guts isn’t an option.
They *smile* us
Not drilled for it, and not skilled for it.
Will have to change our drafting skill sets.
The kick out rule is being further rorted because the umpires are allowing the player kicking in to run 20-30 metres without a bounce as well. All it needs is one player to be pinged for running too far and that is all over
There must be a rule change we don't know about? It's remarkable how the umps allow this in every game, players running 30m, yet pull up players if they step over 10m's anywhere else on the field. And not one commentator has called it out. Bizarre.
We can look at heat maps and stats all we like, but something has changed and teams are running the ball out of defence more easily, not just against us. Also, our performance on the MCG is revealing - what used to be a fortress has now become a ground we have trouble winning at. The wider spaces of the MCG used to allow us the space to launch attacks, but we now have trouble defending the wider spaces.
Is it the Stand rule? Is it the changes to kick outs from behinds? What else has changed? It isn't just Richmond who are having trouble defending space, and it is hard to nail down a single reason, but the game seems different. What I notice, bearing in mind I don't watch much footy apart from Richmond games, is that the ball seems to be pinging around between the 50 metre arcs a lot more - seems to go back and forth like a game of basketball (if I wanted to watch basketball I would be a basketball fan, I want to watch Australian Rules Football thanks!).
Certainly the stand rule not only lessens the impact of the player on the mark and their ability to cut off options, but it also has the effect of reducing one team to 17 players temporarily.
Does anyone seriously think the new rules haven't changed the game?
Whether the change is for the better of worse is a matter of opinion, but the game has changed.
DS
Is it the Stand rule? Is it the changes to kick outs from behinds? What else has changed? It isn't just Richmond who are having trouble defending space, and it is hard to nail down a single reason, but the game seems different. What I notice, bearing in mind I don't watch much footy apart from Richmond games, is that the ball seems to be pinging around between the 50 metre arcs a lot more - seems to go back and forth like a game of basketball (if I wanted to watch basketball I would be a basketball fan, I want to watch Australian Rules Football thanks!).
Certainly the stand rule not only lessens the impact of the player on the mark and their ability to cut off options, but it also has the effect of reducing one team to 17 players temporarily.
Does anyone seriously think the new rules haven't changed the game?
Whether the change is for the better of worse is a matter of opinion, but the game has changed.
DS
Our players have tried this at various times, even early in the season. It's no substitute for manning the mark keenly and cutting off angles.
Hocking *smile* us.
These are all good points David and for that reason I am interested in what happens in finals
We will see but I hope a contested game plan still prevails rather than a team playing uncontested keepings off footy.
This is a great thread. I do hate the Stand Rule to my core and other introduced rules. I've not witnessed other organisations 'adjust' the rules like the AFL.
There are many good points put forward... to as why a particular rule has affected our game, or we as a system based team should overcome rule changes and just bring in players to fulfil a role (when you have players available obviously), or the coach has not reacted.
The one thing that has been overlooked here is that I'd heard at the start of the season that coaches were concerned that the VFL had different rules to the AFL and made transitioning from one comp to the other more difficult. Does someone know these differences - I like to see if they also contributed.
There are many good points put forward... to as why a particular rule has affected our game, or we as a system based team should overcome rule changes and just bring in players to fulfil a role (when you have players available obviously), or the coach has not reacted.
The one thing that has been overlooked here is that I'd heard at the start of the season that coaches were concerned that the VFL had different rules to the AFL and made transitioning from one comp to the other more difficult. Does someone know these differences - I like to see if they also contributed.
