What? Where did I say I expect Dimma to pull players outta his rectum? Silly post.What type of player are you expecting Dimma to pull from his rectum?
Darren Jarman?
What? Where did I say I expect Dimma to pull players outta his rectum? Silly post.
Yeah, fair point but the gist of the discussion was about the new rule disadvantaging us and advantaging sides like Geelong.
I don't plan to go through the stats for every side, but certainly the impact on our games has been negligible and looking at our games vs Geelong that trend continues.
Even the stats you have provided show the change is one extra uncontested mark per team, per quarter. Doesn't support the notion that the stand rule has made the game into a chip mark, chip mark, chip mark, uncontested game as many have pushed.
The one area I would like to see and haven't been able to find is how disposal efficiency has changed. The best teams (Geelong and the Bulldogs) are tracking at about 75 this season, which is a good number but no better than Hawthorn in their 'FC Barcelona' years.
Yeah , another rule I hate. And they seem to run 20 or 30 metres without bouncing the ball sometimes.I think the other rule which is not getting enough attention, the player on the mark when kicking out from a behind being so far away from the kicker, is allowing teams to get the ball right out of their defensive 50 quickly and easily. The whole strategy of holding the ball in your attacking 50 has become so much harder and that was a feature of our game.
The 2 best forward half turnover teams were us and port Adelaide in 2020. We both loved playing the game in our forward half. Lock it in and prevent teams an easy outlet. A big part was forcing a long kick to a contest. The stand rule has provided the ball carrier more options. The 45 short kick either side of the man on the mark is now available. The pressure and perceived pressure we could create on the player with the ball has reduced. So we aren’t getting the opportunity to turn it over from that long kick. If you think this hadn’t impacted our game plan you have rocks in your head.The rule has 100% affected our game. Our game is based on winning the ball back and rebounding. It's much harder to win the ball back with the new rule.
There was a passage of play where it was contest after contest for the ground ball until geelong won it then slowed the tempo with short kicking until they worked it up field for a hawkins mark and goa
this is spot on carter. We conceded the switch because it actually allowed time for defensive setup. We always conceded the short kick out from behinds to the pocket because we were setup well further behind the ball. As you suggest raw stats do not show the full story. It’s where those uncontested marks are taken. We haven’t been able to lock the ball in our forward half. It’s part personnel but a big part rules changes.For example : We forced Geelong to switch and chip around the backline in previous years.
Now they can advance with relative ease.
And yet the numbers from 2020/21 will be similar. Overall chip/mark numbers do not tell us the story.
If you want to mount an argument based on stats, you’d need to provide GPS ball movement data from 2020 compared to this year.
Not drilled for it, and not skilled for it.Some teams are drilled for short pass transition. There’s an art to it in today’s footy and it is by no means easy.
We are not drilled for it. Painfully obvious when we tried it against St Kilda.
Stand rule almost demands short pass transition if a fast break up the guts isn’t an option.
They *smile* us
The kick out rule is being further rorted because the umpires are allowing the player kicking in to run 20-30 metres without a bounce as well. All it needs is one player to be pinged for running too far and that is all overRule is F##### stupid as is the kick out rule.
There must be a rule change we don't know about? It's remarkable how the umps allow this in every game, players running 30m, yet pull up players if they step over 10m's anywhere else on the field. And not one commentator has called it out. Bizarre.The kick out rule is being further rorted because the umpires are allowing the player kicking in to run 20-30 metres without a bounce as well. All it needs is one player to be pinged for running too far and that is all over
Our players have tried this at various times, even early in the season. It's no substitute for manning the mark keenly and cutting off angles.The stand rule can be negated by the player on the mark conceding 5 metres and then they can move any where they want.
These are all good points David and for that reason I am interested in what happens in finalsWe can look at heat maps and stats all we like, but something has changed and teams are running the ball out of defence more easily, not just against us. Also, our performance on the MCG is revealing - what used to be a fortress has now become a ground we have trouble winning at. The wider spaces of the MCG used to allow us the space to launch attacks, but we now have trouble defending the wider spaces.
Is it the Stand rule? Is it the changes to kick outs from behinds? What else has changed? It isn't just Richmond who are having trouble defending space, and it is hard to nail down a single reason, but the game seems different. What I notice, bearing in mind I don't watch much footy apart from Richmond games, is that the ball seems to be pinging around between the 50 metre arcs a lot more - seems to go back and forth like a game of basketball (if I wanted to watch basketball I would be a basketball fan, I want to watch Australian Rules Football thanks!).
Certainly the stand rule not only lessens the impact of the player on the mark and their ability to cut off options, but it also has the effect of reducing one team to 17 players temporarily.
Does anyone seriously think the new rules haven't changed the game?
Whether the change is for the better of worse is a matter of opinion, but the game has changed.
DS
These are all good points David and for that reason I am interested in what happens in finals
We will see but I hope a contested game plan still prevails rather than a team playing uncontested keepings off footy.