Yep. Airport style with slow queues as each person needs to be checked instead of the usual quicker flow of scan and go in.
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will we need to be vaccinated to attend games in 2022
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From what I recall it is way too complicated and would take hours for a crowd to get into the ground.
Far easier just to get vaccinated to significantly reduce the risk of serious illness , hospitalization and death even if you test positive.
No they won't get away with anything. They will be counselled to correct their hesitancy and vaccine concerns from reading B.S. on social media and then be clearly told to get the jab or don't play AFL, no matter who they are. Even Dusty...as my eyes start to water at the prospect. New draftees will also be told to get the jab asap or find other employment where vaccination is optional, but there won't be many options.
Here's an insight into what's happening in the NBA & EPL in the US & UK..this is likely what we can expect.
sports.yahoo.com
www.bbc.com
United Center will require proof of vaccination, negative test to attend Bulls game
The United Center will accept printed or digital proof of vaccination or negative test for Bulls and Blackhawks games.
Man Utd to start Covid spot-checks
Manchester United are to introduce Covid-19 spot-checks on matchdays at Old Trafford, starting with Saturday's game against Newcastle.
www.bbc.com
My mate in Germany was telling me last night that this is Germany's approach to the unvaccinated - except the tests are no longer free.
So sure, can be unvaccinated and go to pub or to a football game, but it must be done with 3 days of the event, and you've got to cough up to have the test.
You might as well have the free vaccine instead.
Shouldn't be entering or will be prevented from entering? Honesty systems don't work in pandemics.
Disagree.
I have limited control over whether I catch the virus.
I have total control over whether I get vaccinated.
Restrictions which rely on what people do and can control is far more reasonable.
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What is true is that unvaccinated people are more likely to carriers than vaccinated people.
I've got no problem with rapid testing as an alternative, but the rapid tests are around 15-20 minutes to get a result, so you need testers in full PPE, you need holding and waiting areas etc etc etc. Rapid testing is big logistical exercise if you have a lot of people wanting to do it.
In short, GET VACCINATED
To what extent? Hasn't the Israel experience showed the vaccines aren't effective at stopping transmission?
The Israel data has been a lightning rod for anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
To be fair, on the surface, it does look to be an unconvincing advertisement for vaccination.
But unpack the data with a critical eye, and a completely different story emerges.
The Washington Post has published a quality analysis here.
If you, @tigertime2, or any other conspiracist is genuinely committed to understanding the value of COVID vaccination, this will give you pause for thought.
Stay curious!
good question - and this is a hard thing to measure experimentally, so must of it is extrapolation from observed data, but the data is starting to be assembled. What we already know is that vaccinated people are less likely to be symptomatic and much less likely to be hospitalised and well, dead. Some vaccinated people can carry a full viral load similar to a non-vaccinated person, but the viral load diminishes much faster, so they are infectious for a much shorter time period (so the Rf number would be lower).
On the other hand, if a vaccinated person does experience a full "breakthrough" infection (full symptoms) then they may be just as infectious as a non-vaccinated person - but we know that vaccinated people are much less likely to have a full breakthrough infection than non-vaxxed people.
TLDR yes vaccinated people can still transmit but early evidence shows the rate is lower. We need to keep monitoring places like Israel though that are ahead of the curve in terms of vaccinations to see if this holds true.
New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
While new data show that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, vaccines still prevent the worst outcomes from COVID-19.
The question is not about if the vaccines help reduce severity of symptoms but whether they stop transmission. The quality analysis you provided doesn't seem to address that.
Great quote from that article "Anxiety travels halfway around the world while a spreadsheet is still getting its boots on." Substituting "conspiracy theory" for "anxiety" would work as well.
Still it appears that the vaccines are more about helping people deal with the symptoms rather than prevent transmission. While there might still be a greater risk of transmission with unvaccinated people, at what point does this lead to justifications for discriminating against the unvaccinated population? It wouldn't appear to be an objective question as everyone has a different risk profile.good question - and this is a hard thing to measure experimentally, so must of it is extrapolation from observed data, but the data is starting to be assembled. What we already know is that vaccinated people are less likely to be symptomatic and much less likely to be hospitalised and well, dead. Some vaccinated people can carry a full viral load similar to a non-vaccinated person, but the viral load diminishes much faster, so they are infectious for a much shorter time period (so the Rf number would be lower).
On the other hand, if a vaccinated person does experience a full "breakthrough" infection (full symptoms) then they may be just as infectious as a non-vaccinated person - but we know that vaccinated people are much less likely to have a full breakthrough infection than non-vaxxed people.
TLDR yes vaccinated people can still transmit but early evidence shows the rate is lower. We need to keep monitoring places like Israel though that are ahead of the curve in terms of vaccinations to see if this holds true.
New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
While new data show that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, vaccines still prevent the worst outcomes from COVID-19.publichealth.jhu.edu
That's true - that article does not address the topic directly. This one has a really good discussion of the issues, see the second half.
Can people vaccinated against COVID-19 still spread the coronavirus?
The COVID-19 vaccines are a smash success. But that doesn't mean they keep every vaccinated person completely free of the coronavirus.
www.pbs.org
Your original question - "to what extent" - it's fair to say we don't know the answer to that yet.
That's also a fair objection I would say. But the ultimate answer is "for the common good". We can't absolutely say to a certainty that vaxxed people won't pass it on and unvaxxed will. But at some point you say "the data is in, it's a benefit that saves lives, so get vaccinated or miss out on whatever." If you have a genuine medical reason why you cannot be vaccinated, fine, but there will be not many of those.
Unfortunately "the common good" is still determined by individuals with differing risk profiles. It can't be objectively determined as a universal rule for all. This is my take: the vaccines provide protection against severity of symptoms, but this effect drops off after a fairly short period of time, hence the need to keep getting boosters. Alternatively you could catch COVID and natural immunity will provide greater ongoing protection and against more variants (i'm not sure if it reduces transmission to a great extent), however this will also eventually wear off. Recovery rates are very high for young and healthy people. For me, if you are old and/or have conditions that make you more susceptible to severe symptoms from COVID then you should get the jab. Otherwise if you are young and healthy you should probably avoid it and ideally catch it and recover. In the meantime they should continue to enhance the vaccines to provide better protection against transmission, but it should follow the normal process for vaccine approval to capture long term effects of its use.
A couple of things are factually wrong here.
1. Vaccines provide protection against symptoms and this does drop off, but the efficacy against severe cases and - most importantly - death, is longer lasting. So the current science tells us.
2. "Natural" immunity will give you possibly better immunity against the current virus. Natural exposure plus vaccination gives you even broader immunity and better immunity against potential future strains. So the current science tells us. Of course, by not being vaccinated and being exposed you also have a much higher chance of severe disease/death by a factor of around 10.
3. Delta is affecting younger people more than previous variants. Vaccination plus natural exposure (which will probably happen long-term) is better than natural exposure, both in terms of broad immunity and well, AVOIDING DEATH
Now, you might say "I'm healthy, I'm gonna roll the dice, get exposed naturally, I'll probably live and I don't have the hassle or the (incredibly tiny) chance of a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine". That's your prerogative - the maths doesn't really stack up, and you'll be a higher risk of infecting loved ones, but sure, be one of those people.
The latest anti-vax propaganda (and this is one that really pisses me off) is that natural immunity is somehow better than vaccine induced immunity. Sure, if you didn't die from the disease the first time you probably have pretty good immunity, but tell that to all the people who died because they had no immunity to begin with.
Get vaccinated - your chance of dieing from Covid will go from very very low to infinitesimal. That's a good deal. And you'll also be protecting others in the community and in your family and friends circle, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO CANNOT BE VACCINATED FOR LEGITIMATE REASONS.
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