Suicide bombers blow up 47 people in an Afghan mosque. So much for the foreign infidels excuse.
Nah, Shiite infidels presumably according to the Sunni Taliban.
Bit like the wars between the Catholics and Protestants in
How long ago was that happening?Nah, Shiite infidels presumably according to the Sunni Taliban.
Bit like the wars between the Catholics and Protestants in the past.
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How long ago was that happening?
a mate of mine lives in Kongsberg it's a small town. He was at a pub with a mate down the street. His wife was picking their son up from swimming around the corner, and the other son was walking home from the gym. So close for them. He says the town is genuinely freaked out.
Bow and arrow, no good violent ways to die but imagine this would be horrific.a mate of mine lives in Kongsberg it's a small town. He was at a pub with a mate down the street. His wife was picking their son up from swimming around the corner, and the other son was walking home from the gym. So close for them. He says the town is genuinely freaked out.
Probably a while ago, although Ireland during the troubles is not that long ago.
Whether this is religious violence or just violence over political power with a religious tag line is debatable, but it is debatable both for Muslims and Christians. The Sunnis want a Caliphate, the Shia do not agree - I'm sure the Sunni Taliban have no problem referring to Shias as infidels. Wars and disputes within the same mob are often particularly nasty.
In any case, the Protestant/Catholic disputes led to a fair number of wars so there is a clear parallel.
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This. I spoke to an Irishman about this not long ago. It seems to have little to do with religion but is all about all of Ireland being independent of Great Britain.The war in northern Ireland has always been about independence from england not interpretation of sacred texts.
yeah, although plenty of Irish fought for the allies I think the Irish gov remained neutral during the war. Quite shameful but a reflection of how deep resentment ran.This. I spoke to an Irishman about this not long ago. It seems to have little to do with religion but is all about all of Ireland being independent of Great Britain.
He’s a real Paddy this guy. Fiercely pro one Ireland and anti British. The interesting thing he told me, that I didn’t know, was that Churchill gave the Irish the chance to get Northern Ireland back under the Republic of Ireland in WW2. All they had to do was fight alongside the British against the Germans. But the Irish leader at the time, can’t recall his name, was too stubborn and refused.
He’s a real Paddy this guy. Fiercely pro one Ireland and anti British. The interesting thing he told me, that I didn’t know, was that Churchill gave the Irish the chance to get Northern Ireland back under the Republic of Ireland in WW2. All they had to do was fight alongside the British against the Germans. But the Irish leader at the time, can’t recall his name, was too stubborn and refused.
I don’t know why you would import catholics/protestants into this. So why did you ?
You may have a greater understanding on this matter than me (I have next to none) but I couldn’t recall catholics and protestants ever killing each other en-masse over sacred text interpretations. But to my rescue Professor Google LLC informs that there was a 30 year mick/proddy religious war back in 1618-1648 in europe. That’s definitely a while ago. Like nearly 4 centuries a while ago. Is that the mick/proddy war you're referring to?
If you’re comparing the sectarian hatred between a bunch of european christians four centuries ago with the current sectarian hatred between a bunch of muslims in some muslim majority countries in 2021 I get the parallel. Maybe the catholics did yell 'God is great' and looked forward to death and an eternity in a catholic only paradise, I don't know but otherwise, I don't see the parallel.
The war in northern Ireland has always been about independence from england not interpretation of sacred texts.
Back on topic, Muslims traditionally kill other Muslims more than they kill non-Muslims, and also more than non-Muslims kill Muslims. Sectarianism runs deep inside that religion, but as usual it's really all about politics and power.
Totally agree with all that except for that last bit. I don’t think blowing oneself up along with as many innocents as possible over a desire for political change or quest for power is plausible. The dead bomber can neither witness political change or enjoy the power. The reward for Islamic suicide bombers has been and will always be 100% guaranteed eternity in paradise with hymen intact women. Perhaps terrorist leaders think along power & political lines but I believe the core motivation for their willing foot soldiers are religious based.
Sam Harris and others have made the point that to dismiss the sincerity of the religious convictions of suicide bombers and other Islamic jihadi as politically motivated lacks empathy on our part. In Isis’ propaganda magazine Dabiq’s (15th issue – can’t find it to download but Harris reads out their essay on his podcast) Isis make it crystal that they kill people of whatever religion or lack of because they do not adhere to their interpretation of the sacred texts. And they find it amusing that no matter how many times they tell the western world why they are killing people, western liberals reject Isis’ own reasons for behaving like they do preferring to adopt their own pc position that accounts for Isis' behaviour - it’s all because of territorial beefs, historical grievances, colonialism, wealth distribution etc etc That’s pretty funny really....
Not for the bomber. How could it be anything but purely religious?Good thoughts Glantone. I think the leaders are cynical enough to play power games but for many of them their beliefs are "sincere", absolutely.
A bombing usually has a strategic as well as a religious goal.
David, I think my last response to both Antman and you kind of covers it for me so it would be dull witted of me to keep repeating it. The point is we are now in the year of our Lord Budhha 2564 (hahaha) and comparing religious wars between Christians from centuries ago to current Islamic wars only serves to show how backward and sorry these societies are and how deeply they have failed their own people. Murdering people in the name of sacred texts is really the end of the world in a way. None of it could be possible without the existence of the Quran which as every religious Muslim knows is the literal word of God.
So to me the main problem for Muslims and so the rest of the world is how the Quran as the literal word of God can never be publicly questioned, deconstructed or subjected to rigorous critical thinking. While it remains a holy grail it’s really guide book for the religious extremists.