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Sorry but there can't be two causes of death. Do you know for certain that these people with comorbidities were going to die tomorrow? Or next week? A month? A year?
If you had terminal cancer and was given 6 months to live, wouldn't you feel cheated out of that time if Covid knocked you off after 1 month?
I suspect kids who had to deal with the sudden loss of loved ones would have far greater mental impacts than having to do school from home.
Joe has been anti lockdown since day one and frequently posts in opposition to it so I don't think he's a very impartial observer here. Vibes of the "shadow pandemic" rubbish.
No, I am saying many of these people died of natural causes on the day they would always die...they happen to also be covid positive, as are near a million Australians each and every day at present.
So with near a million people covid positive each day, a number will die as they would have anyway, whilst being positive.
A HIV positive person can die of other things than AIDS.
How do you know this? What percentage of these deaths is "many"?
Essentially no one actually dies from AIDS. I suggest Pete tell Tys his posting on this topic is nonsense.
Yes they do.
They die from over whelming infections, usually atypical pneumonia or unusual bacterial septicaemia....which is almost HIV specific.
New therapy has made a difference these days, so the picture is confusing.
But the point I was making is that people die all the time with multi factorial causes, including dying of natural causes while covid positive.
A motor vehicle death in a person who is covid positive is someone who died, quite possibly in hospital, with covid.
That's all. Had my say. Hate deceptive statically reporting.
Yes, quoting raw numbers is misleading. Of the 34 that died less than a 1/3 were in their 50's and 60's. Only 2 of the 34 were "fully" vaxxed. (booster received)
23 of the 34 were older than 70. Older age and significant underlying health conditions. 7 of the 8 people who dies under 65 had serious underlying health conditions.
More evidence to support getting your booster asap.
Protect the vulnerable. And the vulnerable need to make smart decisions as well.
As an example a friend of mine has an elderly mother-in-law. She would not be persuaded to not attend her grandsons 21st. She has also attended a couple of other celebrations. Her decision. She knew the risks. A lot of young people at the party. She didn't get covid but if she did whose fault is it? Scomo's or Domicrons?
Your view appears to be based on the notion that covid has little, if anything, to do with the deaths reported in the daily covid statistics. That doesn't make sense.
Good on her for attending her grandsons 21st. What's the point of living that long if you can't attend significant family moments like that.
kids to go back day 1 term 1.
throw 'em all in.
chaos.
long COVID awaits. multiple infections to the same kid await. some kids will get it 4-5 times in one year.
my kids will be sitting out the first couple of weeks at least. probably more.
we're looking at getting extra educational help in. not everyone has the luxury of doing this.
gonna be a hard year folks.
throw 'em all in.
chaos.
long COVID awaits. multiple infections to the same kid await. some kids will get it 4-5 times in one year.
my kids will be sitting out the first couple of weeks at least. probably more.
we're looking at getting extra educational help in. not everyone has the luxury of doing this.
gonna be a hard year folks.
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Getting really tired of people propagating the "died with covid not of covid" BS.
Are there studies out there showing long covid affecting kids? I'm not sure I've seen much.
In fact found this. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/children-s-risk-of-long-covid-substantially-lower
My concern is the continuing inadequate schooling levels (the last 2 years already have impacted all schoolkids), but particularly in the 12-15 year olds group, I'd hazard a guess they are most affected. I'd also hazard a guess that the impact on their education standard is a far bigger long term affect on children than long covid ever will be.
What is strange is that you all find the concept unacceptable.
The govt and health department have told us many of the deaths are frail people with multi pathology who also have covid.
My daughter who works in the field has verified this.
Statistics tell us there will be many natural deaths in people who by statistical fact will also be covid positive.
The ones who die from covid are the unvaccinated and inadequately vaccinated.
Why is it so hard for you all to accept?
You are so obsessed with the media hysteria and counting of cases.
Anyway, it really does not matter.
And Carter...this long covid stuff is grossly exaggerated.
Apart from the odd near death case, the rest will be illness neurosis... very very common in humans and amplified by media focus...don't believe it. The children will be fine.
Also....this business about repeated covid infections..also grossly exaggerated.
Do you know of anyone who has had covid multiple times?
The media exaggerates . Don't believe it.
Agenda, fear, neurosis, exaggeration..all about sensationalising things for gain.
Covid is real and nasty if you are not adequately vaccinated...or very aged or frail. Yes.
For the rest of the population it is not nasty....Omicron strain I am referring to.
Enough from me. Don't bother replying. Have lost interest. Bring on the footy. Sigh....
The govt and health department have told us many of the deaths are frail people with multi pathology who also have covid.
My daughter who works in the field has verified this.
Statistics tell us there will be many natural deaths in people who by statistical fact will also be covid positive.
The ones who die from covid are the unvaccinated and inadequately vaccinated.
Why is it so hard for you all to accept?
You are so obsessed with the media hysteria and counting of cases.
Anyway, it really does not matter.
And Carter...this long covid stuff is grossly exaggerated.
Apart from the odd near death case, the rest will be illness neurosis... very very common in humans and amplified by media focus...don't believe it. The children will be fine.
Also....this business about repeated covid infections..also grossly exaggerated.
Do you know of anyone who has had covid multiple times?
The media exaggerates . Don't believe it.
Agenda, fear, neurosis, exaggeration..all about sensationalising things for gain.
Covid is real and nasty if you are not adequately vaccinated...or very aged or frail. Yes.
For the rest of the population it is not nasty....Omicron strain I am referring to.
Enough from me. Don't bother replying. Have lost interest. Bring on the footy. Sigh....
Yes, in Victoria most deaths also appear to from Delta variant.
Only about 10% of the 300 deaths in Vic since Dec 22 have been genome sequenced - 6 had Omicron variant and 26 had Delta variant. Average age 67.5.
Older Victorians the hardest hit by latest COVID-19 wave
But there’s some good news in the new hospital data, which reveals patients who had their booster are being admitted to hospital at very low rates.www.theage.com.au
The average age of those dying is useful, but I wonder what the median age of those dying is, would be a better indicator.
DS
The problem is that you say that we don't have enough information, sure, I agree the information is not detailed enough. Then you state that some of the people who are counted as dying of COVID may have died with COVID but that COVID was not the cause, or possibly the main cause, of their death.
Now the above is all fine.
However, what you then seem to do is extrapolate from the above that a high proportion of deaths counted as COVID deaths are not actually caused by COVID. This is not the logical conclusion to be drawn from the above. I'm sure the medical staff are trying to be as accurate as they can be in terms of attributing the cause of death. What you are effectively saying is that the very doctors who are treating the patients are wrong in their assessment of the cause of death. They are medical professionals, they have been treating the patients - they have some basis for attributing cause of death. What is the basis of your assessment?
DS
Concrete analyses are difficult to come by due to the complex nature of long COVID and the variations in how it may present. But in addition to more physical, easily describable symptoms, brain fog and low mood have been widely reported.
The Lancet has been reporting in this space if you need a good reference.
Too many unknowns to be taking risks with kids.
I know a kid who’s had Omicron twice. First time no problem. Second time really felt it, was knocked around.
We don’t know anything about multiple infections.
No, I don’t share your view.
