No Methane left Scott is inhaling it all , Bomber showed him how its done
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2022 Draft Thread
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Looks like we’re going to have to win the Premiership in 2023 to settle this debate.
Once achieved, there can be no argument moving forward.
No way we do that with only trading in Mitchell and carrying dead weight Bowes though. Think we can all be certain of that.
Once achieved, there can be no argument moving forward.
No way we do that with only trading in Mitchell and carrying dead weight Bowes though. Think we can all be certain of that.
I hope this happens, no problems being the lucky loser in this scenario. Go Tiges!
Methane ,l think it has been inhaled by some on here
Mitchell and Hewitt over Taranto and Hopper ,your kidding ,that's the bad old day's .
I have read through a lot of your posts on this subject,and for the life of me can't agree with any of your arguments .
Hartley is a outstanding list manager ,he probably has 2024-25 in his plans already ,and lm pretty sure he has a KP lined up for next year's trade .
If you're going to take pot shots then at least spell it out in full - Hewitt/Cowan/Keeler/Next year's first & Mitchell. Where are you getting our next tall by the way?Methane ,l think it has been inhaled by some on here
Mitchell and Hewitt over Taranto and Hopper ,your kidding ,that's the bad old day's .
I have read through a lot of your posts on this subject,and for the life of me can't agree with any of your arguments .
Hartley is a outstanding list manager ,he probably has 2024-25 in his plans already ,and lm pretty sure he has a KP lined up for next year's trade .
There was a reason Mitchell was played on. hFF and Bowes couldn’t crack a game at GC
Mitchell needed a change of scenery, maybe he's toast but maybe he's not, low ball risk but if he finishes top 5 B&F and Collingwood finish top 4 then it's been a decent trade.
What's the benchmark for Taranto by the way? Top 5 B&F enough for everyone? Top 10 good enough?
As for Bowes, I'd rather spend the money there than on a player coming back from PCL surgery & get my hands on player like Phillipou, let's talk in a couple years shall we.
If Pies finish top 4 that is the same as what they did this year, so Taranto's pass on the same basis is Richmond finish 7th.
Collingwood have a tougher draw by virtue of their finish but I do think the litmus test will be the team that goes deep into the finals. Richmond needs more than 7th, Taranto on a personal level needs a to lift us into the top 4, anything other than that will be considered failure.
20 possessions and a goal in our winning Granny will do for me, then I won't give a rats where he finishes in our BnF.
He's not a Brownlow Medallist, three times B&F winner, AFL MVP, 7th will be fine.
I reckon Collingwood will slide further than we do, coming off a 17th finish draw from 2021 for the 2022 season. Top 3 draw now, them close wins going to turn into good losses.
Over time close results tend to balance out, that's not great for the Pies & good for us.
As for B&F results, i prefer to look at how the team goes if they stay fit. If both are top 5 in the B&F & 1 side is top 4 & other misses the 8 then the top 4 is the clear winner for mine. That may be a bit basic of a way to look at it tho. Gotta look beyond just next yr for this tho.
As for B&F results, i prefer to look at how the team goes if they stay fit. If both are top 5 in the B&F & 1 side is top 4 & other misses the 8 then the top 4 is the clear winner for mine. That may be a bit basic of a way to look at it tho. Gotta look beyond just next yr for this tho.
I think you might have added 1 too many there , We would have lost Keeler for sure or most likely Cowan with the pick we would have had to trade for Mitchell and also would not have Smith & Green
So lets call it
Mitchell /Hewitt / Cowan / F1 v Taranto / Hopper / Smith / Green
Mitchell went for chump change, late third rounders, I get that deal done with a future second pick at the absolute most. I don't trade our pick 35, that was always reserved for a tall & is pretty much the core reason I wanted the picks kept as they are. If we're cutting players it won't be Keeler either, I don't walk away from this draft without a key forward. If you're adding Smith & Green then I'm also adding Verrall at pick 70.
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So you disrupt the entire draft order by not using any of our 2022/23 picks on Taranto or Hopper other than a future 2nd for Mitchell and you’re convinced all the players you want will still be there for us?
Surely cause and effect comes into play here.
Every chance things would fall a different way starting with if West Coast heard we really wanted Hewitt.
Clubs have Intel and trade up and down accordingly.
Then there’s the fact Richmond may have had zero interest in your picks.
So this is all purely hypothetical and probably doesn’t need to be defended any further
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There would be disruption, and obviously no one will ever know the true outcome.
But Bullus has said what he wouldve done and extended it to the nth degree. Its all an opinion but its a good thought provocative exercise. Otherwise it might be too much group think!
Good luck to him But i hope the club has a cup to come to show him he,s wrong!
Bullis has more right to debate his point than most, due to his working knowledge and the extensive work he puts into the draft.
We all benefit from this.
But there comes a time where you switch your focus to the real outcomes and let the hypotheticals go.
Because hypotheticals are an intellectual argument that cannot be won
Mitchell was traded for #41+#50 which is higher points value than #31 and that would have been the pick used imo
picks in 2023 are valued higher by most clubs and if that was the route we were to take i think we would have preferred to use 31
instead of F2.
Verrall would have been also my preference at #70 but appears the club didnt rate him highly and didnt take him
Guys, I've been on this site for three months screaming about grabbing a tall forward, I've laid out a plan for this entire period, I haven't deviated once, I've mentioned numerous times Keeler was the slider, I mentioned numerous times there were 4-5 tall forwards in that 30-50 range, I've put the list up at least 10 times. I've picked a forward in the mock draft (2 just to ram home my point) and now I'm being a hindsight charlatan. Vintage PRE, following the same pattern as every year, can't cope with anything other than the club line.
Let me put it to you another way. If Hewitt goes early I take Jefferson & Hotton, a mid & a forward, it's probably still Keeler in the third much like the PRE draft (2 forwards). I struggle to see how this is so controversial, particularly when I've outlined my strategy prior to the draft. I was even asked the player I was picking in REAL TIME, go back over the comments if you must.
As for Mitchell, he was the player I focused on because he didn't interfere with our existing picks, that was the fundamental reason I preferenced him over Hopper. Now you blokes are rewriting the script & turning a salary cap dump into some highly valuable commodity which prevents me from taking the tall I've structured my whole strategy around. That's just lame revisionism & hints that some of you are concerned I've managed to secure a decent draft haul.
But you are correct, enough talk, I know my cues, I'll see you blokes next year, I'll drop in when the season concludes, hopefully we've got a premiership but if not, we'll be discussing the future first you've all happily parted with.
The points are *smile*, you know it & I know it. I look at my rankings & make decisions based on that. My whole stance has been on keeping the picks, you don't go & change the script now that the dust has settled. This was the draft for tall forwards & I have been rambling on incessantly about it. If it makes you feel better then take Cowan off my list, or take next year's second off. But if you are leaving me without a forward then this whole exercise has been a monumental waste of time.
