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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?
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A Voice in Parliament for the Indigenous. Well they have one there now The Honourable Linda Burney MP who is The Minister for Indigenous Australians. Linda is Indigenous. Do not get conned on this Voice In Parliament. All we have from Albo is a Voice in Parliament with no framework whatsoever into what role the Voice will have. Is the Voice just going to be one person sitting the House of Reps with no Voting or has Voting Rights. Maybe it will be one in the House of Reps with same Rights of elected MPs & seven Senators (one from each State) with Full Rights.
Spot on
It‘s all well and good to talk the talk, it’s just posturing in my view. We really desperately need to resolve the issues that are destroying the lives of young indigenous kids, and indigenous women. Alcohol is clearly an issue up in Alice Springs, but we can’t ban nor severely restrict it as it racist to do so, such absolute nonsense that serves no purpose.
I’ve read a lot about what goes on in these communities and the beating of women, and young children, is beyond comprehension. That kind of action is what we need to somehow change, but will this Voice do that? I sincerely doubt it and will no doubt be attacked for espousing my views in this post.
I think if it happens, it will need to be a council with representation of all communities. How will a mob from Melbourne be able to understand what is important to a mob from the Pilbara?
If its going to work, it needs to be truly representative, not just 6-7 people (one from each State n territory) to try avoid it being a place where a specific interest could influence one or two people to push an agenda.
The model is there.
Its informed by the uluru statement from the heart
By and for black fellas.
Its pretty uncontroversial.
I guess thats why the radicals are screaming from both sides of the bell curve.
Its a fairly moderate, reasonable, just proposal.
Which is why a significant majority of australian will vote
YES
Do you beleive the existing white voice to parliament has
Solved Domestic violence amongst white communities?
note: this is not an attack; this is a question
@Mr T. , i suggest you expedite moving this thread to RRP thread
If tarranto and hopper dont fix our clearance numbers on the ground,
Then you may have a point
For the Voice to work, it needs to be above politics - in what you have quoted, those MPs may have to tow the party line - Dutton may not give his party members a choice.
Yes we do know what the role of the Voice will be - it will provide feedback (only) on legislation and debates that occur in parliament on issues that concern first nations people (only) - what more do you need to know.
If you agree with the concept, then our elected members will then work out the detail - that’s democratic and sounds pretty straight forward to me.
They’ve done a better job of managing that than what’s happening in indigenous communities imo. There have been rapes of 2 year old children in outback indigenous communities.
Do you think it’s not more prevalent in life in the outback communities? It disgusts me that it goes on, and has done for such a long time, and yet so called Elders and leaders seemingly do nothing to stem the problem. A so called Voice is 100% not going to fix it imo.
Didn’t come here for a spat on the issue so I’ll leave it at that. We are all entitled to our views and I’ve made mine clear I think.
Action to deal with the actual issues is far far more important than some political grandstanding on the issue.
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Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
An excellent summary of what the Voice is, the polling, the role of the Nationals in undermining it and the position facing Dutton is covered in this article by the excellent Peter Hartcher. A sample:
In fact, the draft wording of the constitutional amendment to create a Voice says only that it “it may make representations” to Parliament and to the government. So the Voice would be advisory only. Parliament would remain sovereign. No pen-grabbing allowed.
Second, the draft says that the Voice may make representations “on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples”. Not on anything else...
One of the pro-Voice bodies conducted focus groups in Cairns. After being asked their initial views on the Voice, the voters were given the wording of the draft constitutional amendment that Albanese has proposed.
“When they saw it, they literally said, ‘is that it?’” recounted one of the researchers. They saw the Voice as a reasonable and modest reform.
Has it been a bad week for the Voice? Yes and No
Dutton’s demands for detail have hardly delivered a killer blow, but they have changed the atmospherics.
“When they saw it, they literally said, ‘is that it?’” recounted one of the researchers. They saw the Voice as a reasonable and modest reform.
Has it been a bad week for the Voice? Yes and No
Dutton’s demands for detail have hardly delivered a killer blow, but they have changed the atmospherics.www.theage.com.au
Indeed it is.
Which inevitably gives rise to the pragmatism-free , counter-productive, but understandable nonetheless, movement ill call Thorpeism.
Risking the main course by rejecting the entrèe .
Hopefully shes playing a character on good advice, though i doubt it acutely.
I cant emphasise enough though, fwiw, my belief that Albonese is the man for this job.
He knows what hes doing. He will have anticipated every twist and turn on the road to YES.
He understands this democratic procedure and process, like you or i understood the 2017 footy season: like James mcDonald understands a 3yo colt.
This is not correct Tigaman. Linda Burney represents her constituents in Parliament not indigenous peoples.
We have to remember what the Voice is as set out so far. It is not another voting body , it is a consultative body which will represent the needs of our indigenous population in relation to matters that affect them.
There are examples of this working in other parts of the world. Have a look at the Sami parliament in Norway which represents the indigenous population there as one.
I actually agree that the Government does need to release some details of how it will work because if they don’t misinformation will win.
I am not as confident as many. This is a referendum and they have a history of failure because of the requirements of a majority of votes and a majority of states.
I have seen so much misinformation on social media about this, it worries me that people will vote based on incorrect assumptions.
A POV i disagree with,
but we are 100% equal in the power we exert on this referendum
See you on the other side, where we will retain our common love of RFC
Great post. What the "voice" will be has been clearly stated, even all the finer details haven't been.
Tigaman is either not interested enough to read anything about it, or is being willfully misleading.
Heres the thing
1. A referendum is a secret ballot. dutton has zero ability to compell, or know how any party member votes. There is no party line. And if there is a perceived one, its irrelevant isnt it?
2. Once the YES vote of the people is put to parliament to implement, your putting youre distain for democracy on the record if you dont support it, which Dutton did on gay marriage
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Always bad mouthing the Tigers! Why not 5 straight?!? 6 even?!?We might have won 4 straight if we did.
Settle down Sydney, I'm not a red light or a kebab.
Good point though, we might well have been going for number 7, but we'll never know for sure.
