Foley in the 80"s kicked 5 or 6 against Carlton and I was singing and dancing on the way home. Then I looked at the ladder we were 5th last
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Adem Yze
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It was against Essendon. He kicked 5 as did Roach. We smacked them and we thought we had the twin peaks up forward
We did have twin towers, but we let 1 go to Collingwood and he humiliated us 1 day at VFL Park in 1987
Very good post and Yze is doing a great job.
One interesting thing I find with coaches is that first factor you mention - making changes.
I well remember Tommy Hafey often being asked about this and his response was that he backed a player getting beaten in their position to rectify this and also berated them to do so. I think DImma had a similar attitude, did not make changes but expected players who were getting beaten to rectify the situation.
On the other hand you have coaches like Yze who will make the changes. Something isn't working so change it!
I see this as 2 different philosophies. Which is correct? Who knows, you can't look at this out of context either - a strong team like Richmond under Hafey and between 2017 and 2020 is more likely to be able to turn things around without having to move the players around. Our current team is not strong so maybe more of an advantage there having a coach who is willing to make moves.
Sheedy made a lot of moves and won a lot of premierships as a coach, same could be said for Barassi. Hafey and Dimma - yeah, very few moves, 7 flags between them.
Can't see a correct answer, maybe Yze would make less moves with a team which is not so decimated by injury or maybe he will continue with the moves when he sees a need. One other aspect is that making moves is not random, you have to make the right moves which Yze seems to be able to pick. So, there is clearly a very high strategic intelligence there.
Even if we don't climb back to the top under Yze, and the coach alone cannot determine this, I reckon we'll give it a red hot go over the next 5-10 years and give ourselves every chance to climb back up, of course depending on the players we get because we don't have a premiership list at the moment.
It will be not just an enjoyable ride but also an interesting ride with Yze, glad we picked him.
DS
Good post David
There is no best answer but part of it may be this is Yze learning about the group. However a lot of Tiger supporters were critical of Dimma at times not making moves as well.
To be fair he did do it, like moving Balta into the ruck for the 2nd half in the 2020 grand final as an example.
Yze is far more tactical game day than Dimma, rightly or wrongly, but personally I like it.
Yep, and plenty were critical of Hafey for similar reasons (I remember a lot of talk of the game going past him).
It is an interesting debate, and I too am enjoying Yze's coaching.
DS
Did well on AFL 360 coaches night.
Especially dealing with Blob who still says 'Shy' Bolton if you can believe it.
Sam Mitchell had some very complimentary things to say about Ooze as a coach.
Along the lines of making the complicated simple for the playing group. Also said he wasn't surprised he had us playing competitive footy despite the massive injury list.
I just love Yze's calmness. Seems so unflappable.
Especially dealing with Blob who still says 'Shy' Bolton if you can believe it.
Sam Mitchell had some very complimentary things to say about Ooze as a coach.
Along the lines of making the complicated simple for the playing group. Also said he wasn't surprised he had us playing competitive footy despite the massive injury list.
I just love Yze's calmness. Seems so unflappable.
Can't recall who it was, but a few weeks back someone posted here about game plan philosophies and there were 3 broad categories. Defensive, offensive and adaptive. He seemed to think Yze was leaning adaptive. Tweaking the plan to tackle each opposition and conditions. The idea has stuck with me and I find it even more interesting, with the second dimension to make corrections in game when things aren't working. Not sure if the adaptability is ingrained or born out of necessity but I think we're seeing good results for the cattle we have out there. Like Benny said, I reckon this burial from footy gods and AFL has planted us. Coach and players will come out of this period with accelerated growth and understanding who is good enough and how we play best. I'm excited for the ride too.
Edit: I found the previous post referenced. It was @Carter and the post can be found here Carter Post
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Yze is the antithesis to Flappers? the yin to flapper's yang?
Good call snags.
I can recall a bloke called Tom Hafey being interviewed on World of Sport and when asked after a good win if Richmond would go into the next week we'd have an unchanged lineup.
Tommy said something to the effect that we'd look at the opposition and pick a team to counter/defeat that. The panel were intrigued that a successful team could leave out a player and bring someone else in because the likely opposition skills/traits/attributes. These days it's probably called team balance.
Just on Tommy, I saw a couple of comments that he didn't move players if they were getting beaten. I call recall a few instances where Barry Richardson was moved to CHF because Royce wasn't having much influence (probably the knee that cruelled his amazing career). I can also recall Billy Barrot going to FF and kicking goals (on Wes Lofts from memory).
I like how calm Adem is, he just seems to be on top of whatever is happening & doesn't seem to get flustered. I also like hoe he backs his players & gives them an extended run of games to show what they can do. This'll help sort who goes & who stays at the end of the year.
Hopefully Cumbo gets his chance shortly & grabs it with both hands.
Hopefully Cumbo gets his chance shortly & grabs it with both hands.
The fact of the matter is we're in the results business. But we'll just focus on the process within our four walls and hopefully we'll get the result we're after, if that makes sense, sorta thing.
Thanks Hooch but you forgot about looking forward to the challenge.
He's doing well with what he has at his disposal. Players are putting in and he obviously see's the game very clearly.
The challenge will come if the losses keep mounting. Still 18 games to go. It's a long season.
We saw a spike under Mini for half a dozen games as well, people mgmnt and motivational skills will get tested for Ooze if the wins don't come.
The challenge will come if the losses keep mounting. Still 18 games to go. It's a long season.
We saw a spike under Mini for half a dozen games as well, people mgmnt and motivational skills will get tested for Ooze if the wins don't come.
At various stages we got the game on our terms and it looked like a Richmond game at times, but we just didn't get reward for effort and didn't take full advantage of the swing in momentum. They're a quality team and to our boys credit we dug deep but we just couldn't get the ball going our way and unfortunately came up short.
1969. I was in the forward pocket at Princes Park that day with my Dad and older brother as a very young fella not far from the cheer squad. We had to win that game to play finals and even then rely on the Cats to beat the Hawks at Kardinia Park. We looked gone and Bugsy was moved to FF late in the 2nd quarter and kicked 8 and we won by a few kicking away late, I think we kicked 8 or 9 in the last quarter. He took one ripping mark flying over the pack really close to us, I can still see it in my mind.I can also recall Billy Barrot going to FF and kicking goals (on Wes Lofts from memory).
That day was also famous because we were all listening on our radios to the Cats/Hawks game late in the last quarter and an almighty cheer went up when Doug Wade (I think) kicked a late goal to give the Cats the win. The players were all looking around wondering what had happened !!
History shows we smashed the cats by 20 goals in the semi final and went on to win the flag.
Maybe a flag winning move by T-Shirt Tommy
