I’ve never been that hot for Amiss (or Bazzo for that matter). They’re both ok but nothing that special I don’t think.
With AFL development they might really come on, but right now, I’ve seen better key position players over the years.
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2021 Draft Thread
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With AFL development they might really come on, but right now, I’ve seen better key position players over the years.
You forgot to mention Riewoldt, Rance, Astbury and Grimes.
But don’t let facts destroy a good argument
Polson from Wa is a tall who I thought played well on the weekend against Sa.
He's a good size, 196cm's & 92 kg's he seems to be quite versatile. He kicked 5 goals in round 1 of the Colts and then got 28 disposals in round 6.
He also played one league game where he got 10 possessions and took 3 marks.
He might be a player worth consideration.
He's a good size, 196cm's & 92 kg's he seems to be quite versatile. He kicked 5 goals in round 1 of the Colts and then got 28 disposals in round 6.
He also played one league game where he got 10 possessions and took 3 marks.
He might be a player worth consideration.
I am a big fan of Bazzo - think he'll be a better key defender than JVR.
I agree on Amiss - he double grabs on the lead which at AFL level gives the defender a 2nd chance to punch the ball away. For me key forwards have to be one grab players (which is why I like Williams). He is very effective at ground level for 195cm player though.
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The athletic traits of Johnson are yet to be confirmed and we will probably be getting a watered down version so that the WA clubs can get the inside running. But from a purely footballing perspective, he's got the kicking, he's got the size and he had 3 senior reserves matches where he knocked up 25+ possessions & averaged 8 marks, so the workrate cannot be questioned. Lovely floor too, 192cm mids who can kick don't grow on trees.
Well, you could probably deduce that the strike rate of KP prospects is roughly 50% and that would be even higher for key forwards. Think the lesson here is you need a top 10 pick for key forwrads (Jack would have gone at 8 had we not traded for Polak) & you probably need a 15-30 pick for KPDs. Those are historical facts & there's no skirting around the issue of forwards being notoriously difficult to predict.
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I not arguing anything, just agreeing that we should not reach for talls, because when we have its been a disaster. You may recall none of Riewoldt, Rance, Astbury or Grimes were a reach.
I am a fan of Ben "the tiger" Hobbs and hopes he somehow makes it to our pick 7 but for those who haven't seen Bullys boy Matthew Johnson here are some stats and his highlights vid.
He has good foot skills, nice side step and doesn't mind tackling.
He has good foot skills, nice side step and doesn't mind tackling.
I see Ed Pascoe from Draft Central has nine talls in his top 20 for 2022, it certainly makes you think about strengthening our draft position for next year as well.
I’m a fan of M.Johnson. Wouldn’t be unhappy if we selected him. Been watching him for quite a while this year. (IMO he was better than Erasmus in last years Colts GF).
Just one thing though. Highlight reels are nice but you’ve really gotta watch full games, and a number of them, to get the total perspective. To that end people should get access to the West’s Colts video’s. Lots of games to watch - including a number of M. Johnson’s. From those you’ll see that SCOOP has a relevant point where his athleticism is concerned. He doesn’t really have much of a burst and he can get caught with the ball a bit. And he’s not a Pendlebury “glider” either as some people are exaggerating a bit with.
Anyway big upside. Great skills and vision. Good tackler. Good player ! Like him a lot. Note: he is already getting bigger. His shoulders are now huge from some recent material I’ve watched.
Can you give any examples from the last 10 years?
Or do you think we still follow the same guidelines for our drafting?
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All key position players are notoriously difficult to predict because they take longer to develop so agree entirely.
But once you have a good one, you simply build support players around them.
Key defenders have the advantage of just having to spoil to be effective whereas a key toward has to mark it first, then go back and actually kick it. Hence why they’re harder to find.
But these days a key position defender who can intercept mark and play off their man are vital, no matter where you draft them from. The earlier they’re rated, the better the chances they are elite.
So the players that come good aren’t a reach but the ones who fail are?
Do you remember when Dimma was trying to trade Rance for a bag of chips?
So that was a reach until he became a champion and then it wasn’t?
Unless you know for sure, how can you deduct who was a reach and who wasn’t?
Yes probably a fair point with Gibcus but the same could be said of Erasmus, seems to be top 10 with most draft experts but very little love for him in here.
So if Hobbs was chosen beforehand and Gibcus landed at our first pick, would you go Gibcus first and look for a mid i.e goater etc for our 2nd first-rounder or would you pull the trigger on Johnson at pick 7?. I personally wouldn't go Johnson with our first, best available if that is Gibcus, or Rachelle etc
Erasmus does have the breakaway speed from the contest but future growth on who is going to turn into the better player is anyones guess.
One thing is for sure I reckon freo and west coast will be all over these players plus Amiss.
Totally agree when we were living with normality 2019 and prior watching U/18 games live it gave a good perspective on certain players true abilities.
But now most are relying on short vids but we have been lucky enough to watch several full games of WA V SA
thanks for posting Astute.
its a really compelling set of numbers for 2 reasons.
1. his disposal average goes from 24 in colts to 20 in reserves with the same sample size (n=4). Disposal numbers are simplistic, but this suggests hes a kid that gets better the higher the level. there's usually a sharper decline in effectiveness when a kid steps up against men. his league average (n=3) is 7 disposals (very normal to go from 25 to 7-8 on the step up). I wonder if that was a run of 3 games, or 3 spaced (makes a big diff in interpretation in light of above). or did he get 3 in his first game, 7 in his 2nd and 10 in his 3rd? tackle numbers in league very good (4 a week).
2. his first game against men, he got 7 disposals (very typical in my experience), but then he gets 25 next week and stays at that output. This suggests he's very quick to adapt his game and respond to coaching.
On the basis of the highlights, Bullys bullishness, and my simplistic data interpretation,
I'll be stoked if we nab him.
purely on the numbers and transitions between levels, he's significantly ahead of Erasmus
This is why I prefer Hobbs but whether he gets to our pick remains to be seen.
We need first use of the ball and players like Petracca and Oliver give the dees that, Hobbs you know he will but on Johnson, haven't seen enough of him, but Redford and bullus_hit surely can provide more on this, including his contested numbers and clearance work.
