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2024 Draft Thread

What did I just say Bungal? Are you incapable of reading ? We now have what looks like 3 early 1st round picks next year. It can be addressed then.

You didn't listen to Blair either did you ?

Why so negative about the club ?
I think Bengal is disappointed we didnt draft Jagga at 1.
 
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No young ruckmen. List cloggers.

Recruit only those who can take an overhead mark and are between 23-25 years of age.

It's looking like Miller's only chance with us.
 
That forward structure balance is horrendous. We missed out on snagging a small forward or 2.
😣 Ouch. I guess if Lindsay had been available we may not have taken Hotton,
but he was playing great footy before his injury and we have put our money there.
 
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Am hoping for something similar but with the bombers. Their F1 and 37 for 28 which will give them Shanahan which by all accounts they are pretty keen on.
Yeah, would prefer the Bombers pick, but i doubt a team that will probably finish bottom 6 or so will give up their F1, plus37 for 28- a team aiming top 4 might.
 
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I've already stated who they are. I didn't include Lefau or Bauer in my list as I regard them as 3rd talls / mediums.

The talls I mention include rucks, but bear in mind they account for probably 5-6 players in your team out of 23, that kind of gives you how much of the list they should make up. 6 over 23 is 26% or of 44 players should be about 11-12. We have 15, named below for you.

Balta, Blight, Colina, Fawcett, Gibcus, Gray, OHB, Kosi, Lynch, Miller, Nank, Ryan, Young, thats 13 and add Faull and Armstrong.

I haven't mentioned quality of these talls at all, but list balance.

1 - we need to play as many players in our squad in either the AFL or VFL sides
2 - The more talls we take, the less smalls / mids we take, which puts pressure on us being able to rotate smalls / mids through the AFL side

Yes players will be injured at times through the year, but that works for both talls and the rest. The more talls you have because of potential injury etc, the less you have of the rest and more exposed you become.

As I say if we have 6 KP's and rucks playing in the AFL side, thats 26%, we already have 15 of what will be 44 players in the squad, so we have 34% of the list tied up in a position that will only make up 26% of the AFL playing side. That reduces the chances for all those talls to get games, but also puts pressure on the rest of our list.

BTW - of course you can have too many talls, you aren't going to fill half your list with players that play KP's, probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard anyone say.
Our AFL talls are ageing, we have 2, Nank & Lynch, including those guys in the forward projections is short sighted in the extreme. The second point is quality over quantity, we have to be honest here, we have loads of VFL quality talls but few who have established themselves on the big stage. The third point is injury concerns, you can't just assume these players will develop durability, they probably won't if we're being realistic. The final point and perhaps the most important one is talls take 4 years to develop, now is the time to get them in. Small forwards can make an impact from year one so logically it would be better to get the slow developers in first. We'll get our smalls next year, I have few doubts there will be some likely types available in 2025.
 
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Good draft haul,,a couple l was hoping for went before our picks ,but we got the best all round player in Lalor and the best forward in Faull.

Lalor l am rapt ,this kid is highly talented ,will probably start out as a forward ,and work his way into the midfield, l predict will be our captain one day.
We got the best all round player,,YESSSSSSS

Smillie l didn't want ,he can play, but he's not good overhead ,he should be ready to go first round as a crash and bash type ,l think he will be a work in progress as he adjusts to the speed of the AFL,and works on his outside game.
Fook l hope he proves me wrong.

Hotton ,that was a surprise ,but does have a lot of talent,they will take him along slowly ,and hopefully we have a great player for the future.

Jonty, came into the year as the best rated forward ,and was injured and missed a big part of the early season,,but still managed to kick 27.16 in his coates matches,and was under done in the champs,but still contributed .
He played a lone hand up forward for the rebels this year,as a kp,,the other forwards where 190cm and under ,which meant he got tagged teamed quite a bit.
He loves the hard stuff ,has a great work rate ,and will love having a few more taller player's around him .

Armstrong,,MR HOT AND COLD ,,he needs to work really hard on his ground fame and get involved more,if he can do this he could be a steal,l hope they start him a a FF,and let him build from there.
Trainor ,l had him as a top 6-8 earlier on,until all the noise about his concussions ,all l can say is l think he is a really good player,and will be a intercepting type back,and with Grimes gone,and Broady getting closer to the end ,this was a great pick.

I love the Tiger's have planned a head ,and all these player's will take a few year's to be consistent,,l still think we lack a ruck,and maybe a wing type,,maybe either Dodson /O.O.Ough,or even a surprise like Boxshall,but we may be a little shy on WA player's .

Agree. Smillie when Tauru was available caused particular concern. Hope I am wrong.

Looking on, ESS is the obvious bidder for our last pick as we look to relieve them of their future 1st + something else,-one of their several picks in the 30’s.
We could throw in our future 4th and if they want Shanahan bad enough they will agree.

Wouldn’t mind either Boxshell or Davidson with that last pick.
 
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Our AFL talls are ageing, we have 2, Nank & Lynch, including those guys in the forward projections is short sighted in the extreme. The second point is quality over quantity, we have to be honest here, we have loads of VFL quality talls but few who have established themselves on the big stage. The third point is injury concerns, you can't just assume these players will develop durability, they probably won't if we're being realistic. The final point and perhaps the most important one is talls take 4 years to develop, now is the time to get them in. Small forwards can make an impact from year one so logically it would be better to get the slow developers in first. We'll get our smalls next year, I have few doubts there will be some likely types available in 2025.
I agree, we need to contribute to the pool
 
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Did J Whitlock look disappointed or happy that his brother was drafted ahead of him last night ? He looked a bit upset to me ?
 
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Our AFL talls are ageing, we have 2, Nank & Lynch, including those guys in the forward projections is short sighted in the extreme. The second point is quality over quantity, we have to be honest here, we have loads of VFL quality talls but few who have established themselves on the big stage. The third point is injury concerns, you can't just assume these players will develop durability, they probably won't if we're being realistic. The final point and perhaps the most important one is talls take 4 years to develop, now is the time to get them in. Small forwards can make an impact from year one so logically it would be better to get the slow developers in first. We'll get our smalls next year, I have few doubts there will be some likely types available in 2025.
I get what you are saying, but these aren't projections. We have 15 on the list next year, thats 34% of the list in KP players (including rucks). Thats a lot already.

That leaves us with 29 players (28 if we take another tall), of which we need probably 17 of those playing AFL footy next year, doesn't leave a lot for injuries to the rest of the list, especially bearing in mind there are injury clouds over several of them, Prestia, Clarke, Hotton, Lefau all have various injury concerns and will miss part of the season already.

My concern isn't that we don't need more quality talls, but 1 - How we will be able to play them all, and 2 - How that impacts the rest of the list. In all likelihood, we won't want the young kids playing every game, but with only 29 players (and less if we take another tall) then we are kind of pushing a lot of players into playing more of the season than we would probably want them to.
 
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Well, the conventional wisdom is the big types take longer to develop, so Ive come around to loading up on big now - with the idea that we can add smaller / zippy mids in the next couple of drafts - and they will all come good to deliver the next premiership together in 2027...

It's like cooking a nice ragu .... you wanna caramelise the onions and carrots before adding the garlic and tomatoes.

Being distracted by Stonehenge Romeos, I missed the evening unfolding. Hope there weren't too many melts
 
I get what you are saying, but these aren't projections. We have 15 on the list next year, thats 34% of the list in KP players (including rucks). Thats a lot already.

That leaves us with 29 players (28 if we take another tall), of which we need probably 17 of those playing AFL footy next year, doesn't leave a lot for injuries to the rest of the list, especially bearing in mind there are injury clouds over several of them, Prestia, Clarke, Hotton, Lefau all have various injury concerns and will miss part of the season already.

My concern isn't that we don't need more quality talls, but 1 - How we will be able to play them all, and 2 - How that impacts the rest of the list. In all likelihood, we won't want the young kids playing every game, but with only 29 players (and less if we take another tall) then we are kind of pushing a lot of players into playing more of the season than we would probably want them to.

Slaying is Posh. Especially the bolded.
 
Our AFL talls are ageing, we have 2, Nank & Lynch, including those guys in the forward projections is short sighted in the extreme. The second point is quality over quantity, we have to be honest here, we have loads of VFL quality talls but few who have established themselves on the big stage. The third point is injury concerns, you can't just assume these players will develop durability, they probably won't if we're being realistic. The final point and perhaps the most important one is talls take 4 years to develop, now is the time to get them in. Small forwards can make an impact from year one so logically it would be better to get the slow developers in first. We'll get our smalls next year, I have few doubts there will be some likely types available in 2025.

I were hoping for Matt Whitlock at the Trainor pick not that I didn't like Trainor but i thought the industry had gone gun shy on him.

Anyway we needed an intercepting defender as I am getting a bit nervous about Josh Gibcus who has just got back from Doha and he did not seem upbeat at all to me on what should be a positive night, (maybe it was him just having to front up to the 300 Richmond yobs in the Rioli room ;) ),

It is also a reason why I hope Blight comes on next year after a big pre-season.
 
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I get what you are saying, but these aren't projections. We have 15 on the list next year, thats 34% of the list in KP players (including rucks). Thats a lot already.

That leaves us with 29 players (28 if we take another tall), of which we need probably 17 of those playing AFL footy next year, doesn't leave a lot for injuries to the rest of the list, especially bearing in mind there are injury clouds over several of them, Prestia, Clarke, Hotton, Lefau all have various injury concerns and will miss part of the season already.

My concern isn't that we don't need more quality talls, but 1 - How we will be able to play them all, and 2 - How that impacts the rest of the list. In all likelihood, we won't want the young kids playing every game, but with only 29 players (and less if we take another tall) then we are kind of pushing a lot of players into playing more of the season than we would probably want them to.
Next year we are bottom 4, grabbing a Berry probably doesn't change that outcome. The issues you have identified should have been addressed by trading up, that to me was always the best play instead of grabbing two players with huge injury question marks. I also suggested Tauru at 6 because you effectively get a swingman with significant forward upside, that's an excellent way to mitigate risk and avoid a tall forward bust. Gut says Faull would have been available down the order, but even if he gets taken we have other options to grab a tall forward.

This is how I would have played it to address your concerns as well -

1. Lalor
2. Smith
6. Tauru

10 & 11 traded to move into pole position, Saints had their pick on the table, we could have stooged North no problem.

The remaining picks could have been a combination of Faull, Armstrong, Whitlock, Sims & Dobson. If Faull goes early we switch the focus to another tall.
 
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Doubt we'll pick another tall/ruck, F1 and a junk pick for this year please.
As for a ruck i've been told we are having a fair crack at the cassette tape as a RFA next year
 
Could have traded back for a couple of these picks tonight, seems crazy. Is it a case of so many picks the recruiting team just got crazy with what they do?

Hopefully it all works out.
To be fair we dont know which other clubs were interested and when they were likely to go.
But Blair and Rhys would've had a fairly clear idea. Much more than what was in the media.

Also it needs another club with a nearby pick willing to make the deal. Maybe there was no agreement?

So could we have traded back?
We dont know but the club had better info to make a decision.
 
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Next year we are bottom 4, grabbing a Berry probably doesn't change that outcome. The issues you have identified should have been addressed by trading up, that to me was always the best play instead of grabbing two players with huge injury question marks. I also suggested Tauru at 6 because you effectively get a swingman with significant forward upside, that's an excellent way to mitigate risk and avoid a tall forward bust. Gut says Faull would have been available down the order, but even if he gets taken we have other options to grab a tall forward.

This is how I would have played it to address your concerns as well -

1. Lalor
2. Smith
6. Tauru

10 & 11 traded to move into pole position, Saints had their pick on the table, we could have stooged North no problem.

The remaining picks could have been a combination of Faull, Armstrong, Whitlock, Sims & Dobson. If Faull goes early we switch the focus to another tall.
Agree 100 %
The injury question marks are risk we didn’t necessarily have to take.
Haven’t
 
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