Agree. I saw it on Kano's video yesterday, in Banks' speech the other day and in Ooze's speech to the players. They now know the oldies are fading out and with the draftees coming in, they become the next seniors to lead.
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There is no way that the 'new' RFC would have "wins" as a high KPI in 2025.....
...... and supporters expecting (or demanding) this are flawed in their logic (was this polite enough?)
The 'new' RFC is a truly professional, integrated and forward looking organisation (thanks Benny!) that will have a strategic plan both off and on the field....
Whether we have 2, 4 or 6 wins in 2025 is (mostly) irrelevant. Every win will be a bonus - BUT - most importantly the RFC will be building toward player development, team structure, team selection (future drafts, salary cap space, delistings) and future Premiership success.
There is no way that Yze will be sacked (or judged) in 2025 based on a win/loss ratio!
Perhaps he will outside 'the four walls' - BUT - inside they will be judging the incremental steps he takes toward building another Premiership team and Culture.
2025 is the year it starts................
We will need to be patient.
...... and supporters expecting (or demanding) this are flawed in their logic (was this polite enough?)
The 'new' RFC is a truly professional, integrated and forward looking organisation (thanks Benny!) that will have a strategic plan both off and on the field....
Whether we have 2, 4 or 6 wins in 2025 is (mostly) irrelevant. Every win will be a bonus - BUT - most importantly the RFC will be building toward player development, team structure, team selection (future drafts, salary cap space, delistings) and future Premiership success.
There is no way that Yze will be sacked (or judged) in 2025 based on a win/loss ratio!
Perhaps he will outside 'the four walls' - BUT - inside they will be judging the incremental steps he takes toward building another Premiership team and Culture.
2025 is the year it starts................
We will need to be patient.
I don't like to put numbers on it but to me if we ended up with 5 wins, a percentage of 75% and 3-4 rising star nominations that would be a pretty decent season from where we are at now.
I also want to see a few of our early 20s players take a significant step in their career.
Im not fussed about wins but really want to see sustained periods of competitiveness in games. Obviously we will get blown out quite a bit at times but you want to see some hanging in there too.
Also really hoping our 2,3,4th year players taking decent steps.
With a rebuilding list and losing 3 of your best players in Bolton, Rioli and Baker bit of a reality check.
Fair point - but gee you'd have to have a pretty pessimistic outlook to believe (suggest?) that Yze has a "going through the motions" ideology.
He is an elite athlete (and Coach) selected on his merits with a hunger for success....
2024 dished him up an untenable situation with injuries (and player movements mostly beyond his control).............. so he prioritised accordingly..........
Now he gets to look forward and build accordingly.
I guess that the term 'elite' might be open to interpretation. Are you an elite Coach if you are the head Coach of an underperforming club (think Weagles, Freo, GCS)? Are you an 'elite' Coach as an assistant that went on to improve and indeed challenge for Finals:
“In January 2012, Yze joined Hawthorn as a part-time assistant coach. On 14 November 2014, Yze replaced Luke Beveridge as Hawthorn's backline coach under senior coach Alastair Clarkson, after previously working with the Hawks as a specialist goal-kicking and development coach for the past three seasons. Yze was credited for playing a key role in harnessing the Hawthorn players' elite kicking skills as they developed into the AFL's deadliest team in front of goal over the past two seasons, with the team's accuracy increasing from 48 per cent to 57.1 per cent during his tenure as goalkicking coach".
"After six seasons as a Hawthorn assistant coach, Yze was appointed assistant coach at Melbourne for the 2021 season. The Demons would have an outstanding 2021 season in which they finished on top of the ladder and were a dominant team throughout the regular season and the finals series which was capped off with a commanding victory over the Western Bulldogs to win the 2021 premiership. Yze was a key architect in creating their league best defence that was a key factor in their historic premiership win. In the 2022 season Melbourne would continue their dominant ways extending the winning streak to 17 games, until the second half of the year in which momentum was halted and they struggled with consistency. Yze continued his role as midfield coach overseeing arguably the best midfield in the competition while their team defence still remained elite and one of the top in the competition’”
I'm reasonably confident that the term 'elite' Coach is applicable,
Of course - I also firmly believe in the adage "you can't soar like an Eagle when you're flying with Turkeys"
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As an elite coach he has not established that. Coaches that fall into that category are those that deliver premierships.Anything less falls below elite IMO.I guess that the term 'elite' might be open to interpretation. Are you an elite Coach if you are the head Coach of an underperforming club (think Weagles, Freo, GCS)? Are you an 'elite' Coach as an assistant that went on to improve and indeed challenge for Finals:
“In January 2012, Yze joined Hawthorn as a part-time assistant coach. On 14 November 2014, Yze replaced Luke Beveridge as Hawthorn's backline coach under senior coach Alastair Clarkson, after previously working with the Hawks as a specialist goal-kicking and development coach for the past three seasons. Yze was credited for playing a key role in harnessing the Hawthorn players' elite kicking skills as they developed into the AFL's deadliest team in front of goal over the past two seasons, with the team's accuracy increasing from 48 per cent to 57.1 per cent during his tenure as goalkicking coach".
"After six seasons as a Hawthorn assistant coach, Yze was appointed assistant coach at Melbourne for the 2021 season. The Demons would have an outstanding 2021 season in which they finished on top of the ladder and were a dominant team throughout the regular season and the finals series which was capped off with a commanding victory over the Western Bulldogs to win the 2021 premiership. Yze was a key architect in creating their league best defence that was a key factor in their historic premiership win. In the 2022 season Melbourne would continue their dominant ways extending the winning streak to 17 games, until the second half of the year in which momentum was halted and they struggled with consistency. Yze continued his role as midfield coach overseeing arguably the best midfield in the competition while their team defence still remained elite and one of the top in the competition’”
I'm reasonably confident that the term 'elite' Coach is applicable,
Of course - I also firmly believe in the adage "you can't soar like an Eagle when you're flying with Turkeys"
Can’t remember exact words but the gist was that Yze sat back and observed and probably was too(?) respectful of premiership heroes, and now with so many young players it’s time for him to shape the group as he sees fit and grow with them. I think Gale was trying to say that it’s bloody tough walking into a team with so many triple premiership players who’ve only ever played one way under one coach.
But many of those players have either retired or moved on now. Those who’ve stayed (Lynch, Broad, Nank, Short, Vlas) are committed to the rebuild, committed to Yze, committed to the club and will repay the club for all it gave them.
Second para was mine not Benny’s!
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Thanks Grumpy.
So Gale's suggestion was something along the lines of Yze understably treading cautiously at first and now needs to stamp his authority and expectations on the group. fair enough.
Without wanting to be pendantic "more application" potentially implies other things such as not being hands on or lacking in work ethic. From the cheapest of seats I'm not aware of anything that would justify criticism of Yze along those lines.
Yze basically needs to get the team playing at a level where we were at the mid part of 2010 where Dimma had us improving and you could see some system in our game plan with belief and growth of some of the younger kids. With all the new kids coming in I believe our team will be more advanced than the 2010 list as we had a lot of hacks on our list then. As @daniel30 mentioned the expertise of Caracella will be a massive bonus for not only Yze, but for the FD as a whole.
I still think fitness and medical staff has let the club down in the last two seasons and even with the non injured players they still weren’t as fresh or game fit as in our glory years.
Wins aren’t big for me next year , but a bonus. I want to see growth in the FD, game plan and players as well as a team as that’s more important.
I still think fitness and medical staff has let the club down in the last two seasons and even with the non injured players they still weren’t as fresh or game fit as in our glory years.
Wins aren’t big for me next year , but a bonus. I want to see growth in the FD, game plan and players as well as a team as that’s more important.
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To some degree they improved every year from 2010 to 2015, then 2016 caused a rethink, and then they delivered. But we might be closer to 2007 than 2010, it's too early to tell yet. Full rebuilds take around 10 years, but we partially began in 2021.
Was t that “surrounded”I guess that the term 'elite' might be open to interpretation. Are you an elite Coach if you are the head Coach of an underperforming club (think Weagles, Freo, GCS)? Are you an 'elite' Coach as an assistant that went on to improve and indeed challenge for Finals:
“In January 2012, Yze joined Hawthorn as a part-time assistant coach. On 14 November 2014, Yze replaced Luke Beveridge as Hawthorn's backline coach under senior coach Alastair Clarkson, after previously working with the Hawks as a specialist goal-kicking and development coach for the past three seasons. Yze was credited for playing a key role in harnessing the Hawthorn players' elite kicking skills as they developed into the AFL's deadliest team in front of goal over the past two seasons, with the team's accuracy increasing from 48 per cent to 57.1 per cent during his tenure as goalkicking coach".
"After six seasons as a Hawthorn assistant coach, Yze was appointed assistant coach at Melbourne for the 2021 season. The Demons would have an outstanding 2021 season in which they finished on top of the ladder and were a dominant team throughout the regular season and the finals series which was capped off with a commanding victory over the Western Bulldogs to win the 2021 premiership. Yze was a key architect in creating their league best defence that was a key factor in their historic premiership win. In the 2022 season Melbourne would continue their dominant ways extending the winning streak to 17 games, until the second half of the year in which momentum was halted and they struggled with consistency. Yze continued his role as midfield coach overseeing arguably the best midfield in the competition while their team defence still remained elite and one of the top in the competition’”
I'm reasonably confident that the term 'elite' Coach is applicable,
Of course - I also firmly believe in the adage "you can't soar like an Eagle when you're flying with Turkeys"