America, will they ever learn? (Gun Control Debate)

[Baloo]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

"God will punish those involved in homosexuality."

- shooter's father

Omar Mateen's father Seddique says he cannot forgive his son for fatally shooting 49 people at an Orlando gay nightclub, saying "even though he is my son, I have to admit this is a terrorist act."

 

[AngryAnt]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Turns out the killer was likely gay and had been seen at the club many times before the shooting.

 

[Baloo]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Turns out the killer was likely gay and had been seen at the club many times before the shooting.

No surprise really. Many extreme homophobes are those that struggle to accept their own sexuality

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Obama saying something needs to be done. What's he been doing?

NRA.

 

[AngryAnt]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

NRA.

Yep.

I guess the fact that the GOP blocked Democrat legislation that would restrict the sale of guns to people on terrorist watch lists and the mentally ill is all part of Obama "not doing anything".

The Democrats are at least trying.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Yep.

I guess the fact that the GOP blocked Democrat legislation that would restrict the sale of guns to people on terrorist watch lists and the mentally ill is all part of Obama "not doing anything".

The Democrats are at least trying.

Obama might be, but there are plenty of Democrats on the NRA payroll as well

 

[tigersnake]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

No surprise really. Many extreme homophobes are those that struggle to accept their own sexuality

Yeah its a theme of that list of violent crimes and massacres at gay venues.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

"He stood up in class during the 9/11 attack and after the second plane hit the building he started jumping up-and-down cheering on the terrorists."

This from a 14yo born in the US. Gives an insight into his home environment, and I don't believe it's uncommon.

 

[Nico]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Yep.

I guess the fact that the GOP blocked Democrat legislation that would restrict the sale of guns to people on terrorist watch lists and the mentally ill is all part of Obama "not doing anything".

The Democrats are at least trying.

Seriously, the GOP blocked that??

 

[AngryAnt]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/orlando-shooting-gun-control-224251

Sure did. Of course it's all Obama's fault though.

 

[jb03]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/orlando-shooting-gun-control-224251

Sure did. Of course it's all Obama's fault though.

History is going to record Obama as a much better president than the current media and pundits try and have us believe.


Have to laugh at some of the memes doing the rounds of the "usefulness" of republican politicians sending their thoughts and prayers to the victims and families in Orlando when they are the same pollies that voted against gun control measures.

 

[WesternTiger]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Not sure that other faiths actively persecute homosexuals. They just forbid them to participate. Will stand corrected if wrong.

Was illegal to engage in homosexual sex in Tasmania until 1997. That's persecution in my book.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Was illegal to engage in homosexual sex in Tasmania until 1997. That's persecution in my book.

Q1. What religion are Tasmanians?
Q2. When was the last conviction for homosexuality in Tasmania? It's illegal to be in possession of more than 50kg of potatoes in WA, but I doubt anyone's been prosecuted for a long time (if ever).

 

[AngryAnt]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

When was the last conviction for being heteroexual in Tasmania?

 

[Harry]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Not sure what people are arguing here. Apparently he claimed allegiance to ISIS when on the phone.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Not sure what people are arguing here. Apparently he claimed allegiance to ISIS when on the phone.

Exactly, which is why it can't be classified solely as a guns issue.

ISIS inspiring more attacks than they carry out as lone wolf attacks in West increase

Was Orlando Shooter Really Acting for ISIS? For ISIS, It’s All the Same

Sponsored or not, a terrorist is a terrorist.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Not sure what people are arguing here. Apparently he claimed allegiance to ISIS when on the phone.

The argument is about whether Isis knew he existed or not. It looks like they didn't, but claimed him as you'd expect. That has obvious implications for policy and enforcement. If I shot-up AFL house in a Richmond jumper in the name of Tiger justice, should Richmond be sanctioned and all Tiger supporters be expelled from games?

I agree its an act of terrorism, but so are all the other gun massacres, whether they be in the name of Muslim homophobes, Christian homophobes, anti-government Christians, bullied students, sacked workers, etc etc.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

"Omar Mateen’s wife reportedly tried to talk him out of the Orlando attack, but admits she drove him to Pulse nightclub and Disney World as he scouted out potential targets."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/omar-mateens-wife-noor-zahi-salman-knew-about-plan-to-attack-pulse-nightclub-and-had-driven-her-husband-there-and-places-like-disney-world-to-scout-out-locations/news-story/7d748b8c3780cf815de92b5528f44a12

Security should be the #1 election issue here, but we're too gutless to discuss it.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

Security should be the #1 election issue here, but we're too gutless to discuss it.

Upping security at huge cost and inconvenience for the sake of a tiny possibility of an attack? And with questionable results? I don't want that, I'll take the odds. Besides, it is exactly what the terrorist groups want.

Its not about guts, its about choices related to lifestyle, culture and resources. Stuff the terrorists, I won't live in fear and have money sucked out of hospitals and schools for increased security.

 

[Harry]

Re: America, will they ever learn?

If I shot-up AFL house in a Richmond jumper in the name of Tiger justice, should Richmond be sanctioned and all Tiger supporters be expelled from games?

If that's what RFC stand for and instruct their followers to do then the answer is yes.

We shouldn't be confusing ISIS and Muslims. ISIS massacre Muslims as well.