antman said:
Yes. Both parties. Abbott wins the brutal heartlessness arms race, but not much in it.
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Yes. Both parties. Abbott wins the brutal heartlessness arms race, but not much in it.
It's more than that. It's the fact that in general the Australian public don't care and because of that there are no votes in it. When that is the case no one Government or prospective Government gives a toss about it.tigersnake said:
The ALP is following the Coalition to the bottom.
Sintiger said:
Its even more than that Sin, there is votes in it, but the votes are gained by being hard on refugees. Importantly big swing seats, and even whole regions like western sydney, being welcoming or even tolerant of refugees is electoral death. The Nation is divided down the middle on the issue.
That even makes me more depressed because you are probably right. Not sure if it down the middle howevertigersnake said:
Sintiger said:
Yeah its a bit more complex than down the middle. I think, and polls support it, you've got 40-odd % who want a more compassionate policy, 40-odd percent who want harsh draconian policies like we have, and 20-30 odd percent in the middle who would/ could go either way depending on political leadership. Of course we know which way the current leadership wants to take us, or has taken us.
pessimistic_ said:
If "stop the boats" is a philosophy then "kick it down our end" (as the bloke who used sit behind me would shout constantly) is a game plan.
HS headline tomorrow: "Let Them In"
I'm shocked and impressed.
Probably helped that Murdoch was tweeting in support of refugees over the weekend but still impressive.
I'm shocked and impressed.
Probably helped that Murdoch was tweeting in support of refugees over the weekend but still impressive.
scottyturnerscurse said:
hes not letting more in
hes taking less asians and more arabs cause he saw a facebook picture
not impressive at all
same bloke that took away several billions of dollars from foreign aid. How many women and children died as a direct result?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/pm-defends-11-billion-dollar-cut-to-foreign-aid/6329672
scumbag
A clip from probably the best show ever :
[youtube=560,315]http://youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4[/youtube]
[youtube=560,315]http://youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4[/youtube]
K3 said:
See below: I checked and Aus is one of only 4 countries that this video is restriced on...why YouTube...WHY?
How to ruin the lives of people 101...
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'Dad, why are we here?': No money, no life and a baby on the way at Nauru
Date October 28, 2015 - 7:32AM
Nicole Hasham
Environment and immigration correspondent
'Maybe we can find a new life'
The risk between taking a boat to Australia or staying in his home country 'was the same' explains 'Mohammed' an asylum seeker on Nauru.
Somalian refugee Abyan becomes a political pawn after abortion request
Philippines says has 'no capacity' to resettle asylum seekers
Mohammed's* daughter doesn't play with other girls. She sits most days in the family's hot airless tent, and does not go to school.
The detention [centre has a] very high fence … but the Nauruan detention has very deep ocean. So what's the difference? Nothing
Mohammed
Sometimes Mohammed takes his raven-haired children outside the detention centre looking for distraction. Security guards search them on the way out, and confiscate their food. Biscuits and apples, meant as snacks for the children, are binned. All they take for the day is bottled water.
Mould in the family's tent.
When his son or daughter spies something in a shop – lollies, chewing gum – he cannot buy it. He has no money.
Advertisement
This, according to Mohammed, is life on Nauru - where detention may have officially ended but this speck in the Pacific Ocean has become their jail.
"The detention [centre has a] very high fence … but the Nauruan detention has very deep ocean. So what's the difference? Nothing," he says.
Now though, the Iranian family has other concerns. Mohammed's wife, Fairuza*, is 34 weeks pregnant.
Her first two babies were delivered by caesarean section, but she does not want to go near a surgeon's knife on this island.
"We are very worried about the birth. There are no specialists in the hospital at Nauru. I saw the hospital, it is very dirty … no hygiene. I can't think about that. I can't," said Fairuza, who has already suffered a miscarriage in detention.
"I saw the hospital, it is very dirty … no hygiene," says Fairuza.
"I can't feel happy about this baby. In the tent it's hot, with the mice … how can I look after a small baby?"
The Nauruan government this month cast open the gates of the Australian-funded centre, claiming "detention had ended" and detainees can move around the island at will.
"[This] is a landmark day for Nauru and represents an even more compassionate program," Justice Minister David Adeang said, adding more lifeguards would be posted at swimming spots visited by refugee families.
"I can't feel happy about this baby": Pregnant mother, "Fairuza", with her seven-year-old son.
But Mohammed insists little has changed.
"[There is] no place for the children, no parks … no shade, we go out for what? We can't do anything, we can't sit anywhere, just we are going around the island and we come back in detention," he said in audio recordings obtained by Fairfax Media.
"Where can I stay? I sleep on the road or I sleep in the jungle?
"We are still living in mouldy tents, [on] rocky ground," says Mohammed.
"We are still living in mouldy tents, [on] rocky ground," says Mohammed. Photo: Supplied
"We are still living in mouldy tents, [on] rocky ground, and we don't have any money, and we are still asylum seekers."
Most immutable of all is the uncertainty. It gnaws at each in different ways - especially Mohammed, who convinced his family to board a small boat in Indonesia and go "looking for life". They haven't found it yet.
"We have two kids and the new baby coming also, [they have] no future. My kids have lost their life," he said.
<i>Illustration: Alan Moir </i>
Illustration: Alan Moir
"My daughter has very bad mental health: she is very depressed and she is very stressed. Always she cries, and asks me 'Why Dad, why are we here?'"
"My son when he wakes up from his sleep in the morning, asks me 'Dad, are we going to Australia today?'
"Sometimes I ask them please, don't ask me, please leave me alone, because I don't have any answers."
The family's refugee claim has been rejected by the Nauruan government, and will go through an appeals process.
Australian Immigration Minister Peter Dutton this month said pregnant women on Nauru would not be brought to this country for treatment, and his government has provided $26 million for improvements at Nauru's hospital.
A Nauru government spokesman did not comment on the family's living conditions, including the confiscation of food. He said the section of the hospital pictured is due to be demolished next year, and the emergency department will be relocated.
*Not their real names
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dad-why-are-we-here-no-money-no-life-and-a-baby-on-the-way-at-nauru-20151026-gkj2b3.html#ixzz3poJZopli
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'Dad, why are we here?': No money, no life and a baby on the way at Nauru
Date October 28, 2015 - 7:32AM
Nicole Hasham
Environment and immigration correspondent
'Maybe we can find a new life'
The risk between taking a boat to Australia or staying in his home country 'was the same' explains 'Mohammed' an asylum seeker on Nauru.
Somalian refugee Abyan becomes a political pawn after abortion request
Philippines says has 'no capacity' to resettle asylum seekers
Mohammed's* daughter doesn't play with other girls. She sits most days in the family's hot airless tent, and does not go to school.
The detention [centre has a] very high fence … but the Nauruan detention has very deep ocean. So what's the difference? Nothing
Mohammed
Sometimes Mohammed takes his raven-haired children outside the detention centre looking for distraction. Security guards search them on the way out, and confiscate their food. Biscuits and apples, meant as snacks for the children, are binned. All they take for the day is bottled water.
Mould in the family's tent.
When his son or daughter spies something in a shop – lollies, chewing gum – he cannot buy it. He has no money.
Advertisement
This, according to Mohammed, is life on Nauru - where detention may have officially ended but this speck in the Pacific Ocean has become their jail.
"The detention [centre has a] very high fence … but the Nauruan detention has very deep ocean. So what's the difference? Nothing," he says.
Now though, the Iranian family has other concerns. Mohammed's wife, Fairuza*, is 34 weeks pregnant.
Her first two babies were delivered by caesarean section, but she does not want to go near a surgeon's knife on this island.
"We are very worried about the birth. There are no specialists in the hospital at Nauru. I saw the hospital, it is very dirty … no hygiene. I can't think about that. I can't," said Fairuza, who has already suffered a miscarriage in detention.
"I saw the hospital, it is very dirty … no hygiene," says Fairuza.
"I can't feel happy about this baby. In the tent it's hot, with the mice … how can I look after a small baby?"
The Nauruan government this month cast open the gates of the Australian-funded centre, claiming "detention had ended" and detainees can move around the island at will.
"[This] is a landmark day for Nauru and represents an even more compassionate program," Justice Minister David Adeang said, adding more lifeguards would be posted at swimming spots visited by refugee families.
"I can't feel happy about this baby": Pregnant mother, "Fairuza", with her seven-year-old son.
But Mohammed insists little has changed.
"[There is] no place for the children, no parks … no shade, we go out for what? We can't do anything, we can't sit anywhere, just we are going around the island and we come back in detention," he said in audio recordings obtained by Fairfax Media.
"Where can I stay? I sleep on the road or I sleep in the jungle?
"We are still living in mouldy tents, [on] rocky ground," says Mohammed.
"We are still living in mouldy tents, [on] rocky ground," says Mohammed. Photo: Supplied
"We are still living in mouldy tents, [on] rocky ground, and we don't have any money, and we are still asylum seekers."
Most immutable of all is the uncertainty. It gnaws at each in different ways - especially Mohammed, who convinced his family to board a small boat in Indonesia and go "looking for life". They haven't found it yet.
"We have two kids and the new baby coming also, [they have] no future. My kids have lost their life," he said.
<i>Illustration: Alan Moir </i>
Illustration: Alan Moir
"My daughter has very bad mental health: she is very depressed and she is very stressed. Always she cries, and asks me 'Why Dad, why are we here?'"
"My son when he wakes up from his sleep in the morning, asks me 'Dad, are we going to Australia today?'
"Sometimes I ask them please, don't ask me, please leave me alone, because I don't have any answers."
The family's refugee claim has been rejected by the Nauruan government, and will go through an appeals process.
Australian Immigration Minister Peter Dutton this month said pregnant women on Nauru would not be brought to this country for treatment, and his government has provided $26 million for improvements at Nauru's hospital.
A Nauru government spokesman did not comment on the family's living conditions, including the confiscation of food. He said the section of the hospital pictured is due to be demolished next year, and the emergency department will be relocated.
*Not their real names
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dad-why-are-we-here-no-money-no-life-and-a-baby-on-the-way-at-nauru-20151026-gkj2b3.html#ixzz3poJZopli
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
gutfull said:
Bingo. Many seem content to overlook the "illegal" bit and find fault with our government instead.
