Climate Change

[bengal tigers]

You completely miss the point. You say the simple thing is to do it slowly and gradually and in some ways that is right, but you have to have an overall plan. Doing things piecemeal will invaraibly provide a solution that fails both environmentally and financially.

There has to be a complete plan for our overall energy network, and I don't think many countries have that. This plan needs to determine:
1 - How much power do we require now and what is that forecast to be in the future
2 - How can we minimise and reduce power demand
3 - How should we source the power to supply that demand
4 - How do we transmit that power to where it needs to be

Why do you think we have to reduce our power use,when you have a Government federal/state pushing for everyone to move from gas to electric ,and buying ev's.
The requirement on the grid will continue to grow,yet they close coal powerstations ,and want to remove gas .

The labor/greens are pushing their agenda way to fast ,and the people are the ones who will suffer....

Bring on the next election,,

 

[AngryAnt]

The simple solution is do things gradually ,until you have a constant supply of power,you are not going to get that from current renewables.
The current Labor government ,are pushing there agenda way too hard ,and same for the Victorian Labor government .

As for nuclear costing to much ,l would love to see the total costs of all the solar /wind/hydro etc costs to set up,and that doesn't include the cost of redoing the power lines .
Then the replacement costs after a storm,which happened in WA to a solar farm,,l think last year.

I mean some people don't have a problem with a tunnel being billions over budget in victoria among other things,,so they shouldn't have a problem with a nuclear plant providing people with constant power.

Give us your costing and timeframe for nuclear power setup in Australia Bengals.

 

[bengal tigers]

Give us your costing and timeframe for nuclear power setup in Australia Bengals.

After you give me the costing of all the renewables that is needed to power Australia ,and the costs of all the power lines for the renewables .
Im sure you can do that Antman .

 

[Willo]

Cost of nuclear.

Nuclear energy too expensive to replace fossil fuels: CSIRO

The latest report from the CSIRO about the cost of energy generation has found that nuclear power won’t be an option in Australia, at least this decade.

www.afr.com

lead time for building nuclear power plant in Australia - factor in required regulatory change to allow nuclear and 20 years would be optimistic.

Why nuclear energy is not worth the risk for Australia | Climate Council

Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton and the Liberal-National Coalition have said that, if they win the next Federal Election, they will attempt to build nuclear reactors in communities around Australia to produce electricity. Here’s what you need to know about this risky energy scheme.

www.climatecouncil.org.au

I cant remember you citing a single figure in this entire debate - why? Because all you have is fossil fuel industry talking points pulled out of your arse and by arse I mean YouTube videos.

Post actual data you lazy fraud..

No costing there, 2 lines and paywalled. Lazy cheapskate

 

[Willo]

Cost of nuclear.

Nuclear energy too expensive to replace fossil fuels: CSIRO

The latest report from the CSIRO about the cost of energy generation has found that nuclear power won’t be an option in Australia, at least this decade.

www.afr.com

lead time for building nuclear power plant in Australia - factor in required regulatory change to allow nuclear and 20 years would be optimistic.

Why nuclear energy is not worth the risk for Australia | Climate Council

Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton and the Liberal-National Coalition have said that, if they win the next Federal Election, they will attempt to build nuclear reactors in communities around Australia to produce electricity. Here’s what you need to know about this risky energy scheme.

www.climatecouncil.org.au

I cant remember you citing a single figure in this entire debate - why? Because all you have is fossil fuel industry talking points pulled out of your arse and by arse I mean YouTube videos.

Post actual data you lazy fraud.

Pot calling the kettle..
You quote my post, then don’t t answer any questions posed to you with regards to your statements.
Then copy and paste articles from…wait …..the Climate Council
or an article that says nuclear takes too long to build compared to using renewable plants. But doesn’t say the cost of, the life of, replacement costs or anything else.
Yet you call me a lazy fraud. Yet you think you’re giving a rebuttal but aren’t. As usual. Off on a tangent, deflect and do what the rest of lil Greta thunderboxes or flannerites do.
What a joke

 

[Willo]

Plimer doesn't know his arse from his elbow. He is an embarrassment.

The stuff you've been posting as evidence Willo is outdated, false, or both. I can't be stuffed writing an essay, but 1 very small example, a friend of mine has a 2 yo EV, very shiny and new-looking, the current model has a 150% longer range and the batteries are smaller and lighter and it charges 60% faster. Electrification is not the whole answer, I agree with you if that is a point you are trying to make, but it is part of it and it is happening fast.

I read an article under a year ago about cars being plugged into your house to power your house, charge it up at work during the day, free power. Car and house batteries are the same. This seemed pretty futuristic. About 6 months later Hyundai are selling an EV you can plug into your house to power it, apparently others will quickly follow. This has huge implications, one is it potentially halves the amount of batteries we need for personal use.

These are very complex radical changes that need to be made. Its going to be hard. I'm genuinely not sure what you're point is. Climate change is *smile*? Electrification is *smile*? Change should happen instantly? Nuclear will save us? All false.

Forrests line that the Coalition push for nuclear is an excuse for doing nothing is bullseye, nail-on-the-head, spot on as you can possibly get. They did nothing on nuclear for 10 years when in power, if they get into power again and do the sums, they will do nothing on nuclear for however many years they stay in power.

Some very good points.
We had been discussing EV’s powering homes, points for and against a few pages back

 

[Willo]

Do you think anybody is saying we can just flick a switch and magically radically transform from hydrocarbons to renewable overnight? Its a straw man. Its akin to someone getting a house built turning up after a week after footings have been dug, and saying ' you idiots said you were building a house, wheres my house?

What is your solution?

Get a faster builder

 

[AngryAnt]

Pot calling the kettle..
You quote my post, then don’t t answer any questions posed to you with regards to your statements.
Then copy and paste articles from…wait …..the Climate Council
or an article that says nuclear takes too long to build compared to using renewable plants. But doesn’t say the cost of, the life of, replacement costs or anything else.
Yet you call me a lazy fraud. Yet you think you’re giving a rebuttal but aren’t. As usual. Off on a tangent, deflect and do what the rest of lil Greta thunderboxes or flannerites do.
What a joke

Still waiting for you to provide even one piece of actual data on any of these statements Willo. I gave you data on nuclear power cost and timeframe but all I got back was "i don't like that data".
If you think renewables are too expensive, make a case. Show us the data.

So far you have provided none.

 

[Willo]

After you give me the costing of all the renewables that is needed to power Australia ,and the costs of all the power lines for the renewables .
Im sure you can do that Antman .

One thing people forget to mention when they’re asked about the cost on going nuclear is that it’s usually the term or figure of “net zero emissions” is used.

That’s why articles say it’s “not cost effective” or it “will take too long”. It’s the immediate time frame, not real time, coatings or anything else. Take about fitting a narrative to suit a narrative.
Not a gradual changeover from fossil fuels but straight to “zero net emissions”

Is Murdoch or Sky News writing this *smile*?

 

[AngryAnt]

No costing there, 2 lines and paywalled. Lazy cheapskate

I got access to the full article. Guess who's the cheapskate who has exceeded their limit?

Even this simple concept is too hard for you.

 

[AngryAnt]

One thing people forget to mention when they’re asked about the cost on going nuclear is that it’s usually the term or figure of “net zero emissions” is used.

That’s why articles say it’s “not cost effective” or it “will take too long”. It’s the immediate time frame, not real time, coatings or anything else. Take about fitting a narrative to suit a narrative.
Not a gradual changeover from fossil fuels but straight to “zero net emissions”

Is Murdoch or Sky News writing this *smile*?

Give us a costing to turn Australia fully nuclear then if you disagree with that lefty rag the Australian Fin Review Willo.

 

[AngryAnt]

After you give me the costing of all the renewables that is needed to power Australia ,and the costs of all the power lines for the renewables .
Im sure you can do that Antman .

I probably can with a bit of google-fu.

I'm still waiting for you and Willo to provide a single piece of usable data on any aspect of this debate.

It's your turn - step up mate. If you can. Give me the cost of Australia going nuclear over any time frame you like.

 

[Willo]

Still waiting for you to provide even one piece of actual data on any of these statements Willo. I gave you data on nuclear power cost and timeframe but all I got back was "i don't like that data".
If you think renewables are too expensive, make a case. Show us the data.

So far you have provided none.

WellI dunno how you got back “I don’t like that data”.
I never said that all. Care to show me and others where I said that or do we just accept you’re a liar.


You gave nothing on nuclear power costings. Obviously you read the headline of what you posted. There were 4 lines and then paywalled.
If you did show coatings, why did you ask Bengal Tiger to show coatings?
So try again.

As to the timeframe, what size reactor compared to what size renewable power plant? Missed that again.
What is the cost of comparable power plants?
What is the footprint of both?
What is the lifespan of both?
What is the ongoing costs associated the maintenance and/or replacement parts.
It’s easy to pluck a headline, not know what is in the detail and miss the other important bits. Like not just the build but ongoing costs, lifespan, maintenance etc. Must be too obvious though

 

[Willo]

Give us a costing to turn Australia fully nuclear then if you disagree with that lefty rag the Australian Fin Review Willo.

I thought you already gave us the costing and build time.
Are you saying you told lies?

 

[Willo]

Give us a costing to turn Australia fully nuclear then if you disagree with that lefty rag the Australian Fin Review Willo.

Still deflecting. You can’t answer one question regarding the headlines you posted. Can’t call them articles obviously you don’t believe they are either.
One minute you state you gave us costings and build times. Now you haven’t.
Make your mind up.

 

[Willo]

I probably can with a bit of google-fu.

I'm still waiting for you and Willo to provide a single piece of usable data on any aspect of this debate.

It's your turn - step up mate. If you can. Give me the cost of Australia going nuclear over any time frame you like.

Deflecting again

 

[AngryAnt]

I thought you already gave us the costing and build time.
Are you saying you told lies?

I provided data with a source. If you have a better source with better data, provide it.

That's not "lying" - if you think it is, you are profoundly confused.

 

[AngryAnt]

WellI dunno how you got back “I don’t like that data”.
I never said that all. Care to show me and others where I said that or do we just accept you’re a liar.

Sorry Willo, this debate has run its course as far as I'm concerned.

Have a great day mate.

 

[Willo]

I provided data with a source. If you have a better source with better data, provide it.

That's not "lying" - if you think it is, you are profoundly confused.

No data there at all. I’ve explained that to you.
If there were costings and build times! Why then did you ask Bengal and me for the same?
You're correct, I’m confused. If you already did, why do you want others to provide the same?

 

[Willo]

Sorry Willo, this debate has run its course as far as I'm concerned.

Have a great day mate.

Fair enough.
You too mate