or,
you could sticky tape a sign near the urn in the smoko room of the Q hotel saying
'no rooting people with the plague'
?
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or,
you could sticky tape a sign near the urn in the smoko room of the Q hotel saying
'no rooting people with the plague'
?
Let's Dive In To The Australian's 'Link' Between The BLM Rally & Melb's Outbreak, Shall We?
The Australian has reported on a "confirmed link" from the Black Lives Matter rally in Melbourne to the tower outbreak. It raises some questions.
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Been fascinating during this crisis how parochial those from other States have become during this pandemic.
The borders aren't just lines on a map in Australia, that's clear. It's like we've divided into small countries.
'We're all Melburnians'? is a nice message but the reality has been very different..
The borders aren't just lines on a map in Australia, that's clear. It's like we've divided into small countries.
'We're all Melburnians'? is a nice message but the reality has been very different..
dont blame them really.
and from what is reported other states are offering what ever practical support they can, while playing to their voter base.
and what the f does "we're all Melbournians" mean. whoever thought of that was obviously a failed marketing person.
Unfortunately Scomo seems to have several failed marketing people in his team. "Have a go and you'll get a go" is pretty rubbish too.
His marketing team missed this sort of opportunity
They could replicate it with Scomo, Dan , Gladys, Annastacia etc providing some funky moves. You could have a nice choreographed group scene with some BLM protestors, security guards and quarantined travellers. Perhaps even a Bolt/Credlin cameo?
Elimination, suppression, aggressive suppression?
Not easy questions to answer.
A couple of articles in The Age have been discussing this and it does show just how difficult this debate is:
www.theage.com.au
This was on July 14, and on July 15, although in today's hard copy version, we get this:
www.theage.com.au
I think the point about suppression, aggressive suppression and elimination being a continuum is a good one, and the fact that pursuing suppression does not rule out moving to elimination later is also valid.
But the reality is that both strategies have their flaws. How do you maintain elimination if the virus is still rampant outside Australia? Bear in mind too that Australia may be able to pursue this, but most countries have land borders and elimination is a whole lot more difficult. But suppression means periodic outbreaks, and either periodic shut downs or acceptance of casualties.
I have seen a few reports that immunity may not last long, bringing into question whether an effective vaccine can be found but also pointing to that finding an effective vaccine may take a long time. There are also reports of damage to internal organs of those who have caught this virus and possible long term health consequences - which would make periodic outbreaks a very risky prospect.
I'm sure many are working on what the best way forward is but this is a very difficult problem. Even if we succeed in suppressing or even eliminating the virus in Australia we are left with what to do about contact with the rest of the world. If we pursue suppression and accept periodic outbreaks we are left with the unknown of long term consequences of infection along with the casualties.
The first step has to be controlling the current spike and trying to prevent it moving around Australia, but what comes next is a quandary.
DS
PS: how do you get the article in a box like IanG did? I tried copying the code but it didn't work.
Not easy questions to answer.
A couple of articles in The Age have been discussing this and it does show just how difficult this debate is:
I thought elimination was impossible. I've changed my mind
The COVID-19 elimination bus is back on the road. Is elimination in feasible and, if so, should it be the national strategy?
This was on July 14, and on July 15, although in today's hard copy version, we get this:
Eliminating COVID is a false hope, but 'aggressive suppression' is working
Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer writes that attempting to eradicate coronavirus is not only unrealistic, it is dangerous.
I think the point about suppression, aggressive suppression and elimination being a continuum is a good one, and the fact that pursuing suppression does not rule out moving to elimination later is also valid.
But the reality is that both strategies have their flaws. How do you maintain elimination if the virus is still rampant outside Australia? Bear in mind too that Australia may be able to pursue this, but most countries have land borders and elimination is a whole lot more difficult. But suppression means periodic outbreaks, and either periodic shut downs or acceptance of casualties.
I have seen a few reports that immunity may not last long, bringing into question whether an effective vaccine can be found but also pointing to that finding an effective vaccine may take a long time. There are also reports of damage to internal organs of those who have caught this virus and possible long term health consequences - which would make periodic outbreaks a very risky prospect.
I'm sure many are working on what the best way forward is but this is a very difficult problem. Even if we succeed in suppressing or even eliminating the virus in Australia we are left with what to do about contact with the rest of the world. If we pursue suppression and accept periodic outbreaks we are left with the unknown of long term consequences of infection along with the casualties.
The first step has to be controlling the current spike and trying to prevent it moving around Australia, but what comes next is a quandary.
DS
PS: how do you get the article in a box like IanG did? I tried copying the code but it didn't work.
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Just watching Brett Sutton, impressive press conference under a lot of pressure. My take from it is I don't think Stage 4 will happen unless we see an explosion of cases.
He appeared amazingly calm for a guy in his position, I know I was critical of him without understanding his level of power/control over this and I feel for him. I was wrong to try and pin a level of blame on him. Cannot imagine the pressure he is under.
He mentioned the inquiry a couple of times without any apprehension, it may be he will embrace it as it will reveal a level of disorganisation within the VIC health dept and an end result will be changes?
Just hope we do the right thing by each other and we are learning from past mistakes.
He appeared amazingly calm for a guy in his position, I know I was critical of him without understanding his level of power/control over this and I feel for him. I was wrong to try and pin a level of blame on him. Cannot imagine the pressure he is under.
He mentioned the inquiry a couple of times without any apprehension, it may be he will embrace it as it will reveal a level of disorganisation within the VIC health dept and an end result will be changes?
Just hope we do the right thing by each other and we are learning from past mistakes.
Expected really, given the 36 hours' notice of the lockdown and people scrambling for supplies, followed by 5-7 days incubation plus a day or two to process tests. Might go up a little more yet.
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Magic. But seriously. Left Shift and right click of the mouse, then ALT & F4 together should do it. See below
I thought elimination was impossible. I've changed my mind
The COVID-19 elimination bus is back on the road. Is elimination in feasible and, if so, should it be the national strategy?
Eliminating COVID is a false hope, but 'aggressive suppression' is working
Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer writes that attempting to eradicate coronavirus is not only unrealistic, it is dangerous.
Where did "thoughts and prayers" come from as the default response to death?Dan has offered “thoughts and prayers” to the recently dead victims of this virus.
He’s gunna cope it from “progressives” who bagged Morrison for saying this....
What was wrong with offering condolences or extending sympathy?
And if you don't actually pray, it's just a glib throwaway line.
And while I am at since when is it journalism when reporting a tragic death to cut and paste Facebook posts into a news article? Normally are the same cliches people turn to ....always put others first, had a smile that lit up the room, would do anything for his friends, was life of the party, we lost an angel etc etc.
Magic. But seriously. Left Shift and right click of the mouse, then ALT & F4 together should do it. See below
I thought elimination was impossible. I've changed my mind
The COVID-19 elimination bus is back on the road. Is elimination in feasible and, if so, should it be the national strategy?
Eliminating COVID is a false hope, but 'aggressive suppression' is working
Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer writes that attempting to eradicate coronavirus is not only unrealistic, it is dangerous.
You lost me there, Alt F4 closes the programme
DS
You lost me there, Alt F4 closes the programme
Ahhh hehehehe, good to see the old ALT F4 gag still works.
Your issue was your URLs ended in #comment. Remove that and the URLs will appear as you are hoping
Aha, I loaded the comments before copying the URL. As for the Alt F4, I was thinking that would close the window, but ended up trying anyway since I run Linux and was curious to see if it worked in Linux too (it does!).
Let's hope those numbers drop, but, for a bit of perspective, our infection rate in Australia is 411 cases per million people, in the USA it is 10,571 per million people - like chalk and cheese really. We can get this under control.
DS
U.S. coronavirus cases shatter records and rise by 70,000 in single day
The United States reported at least 70,000 new COVID-19 cases on Thursday, a record daily increase for the seventh time this month, according to a Reuters tally.
