I read that article and it hardly proves that Daniel Andrews lied. There is plenty of fact finding still required to determine such a conclusion.
However deflecting blame is definitely a standard Scomo move.
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I read that article and it hardly proves that Daniel Andrews lied. There is plenty of fact finding still required to determine such a conclusion.
However deflecting blame is definitely a standard Scomo move.
the aged care sector is not being bashed for letting the virus in, their work practices, and response once the virus has been found that is being questioned.
Words are important, the General did not say they had offered to provide security at least not according to the reports I've read.
90pc of Victoria's cases traced to one family, as ADF official says quarantine help was offered
Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry is told most of the state's active cases can be traced to a family who stayed at Melbourne's Rydges on Swanston hotel. Meanwhile, a senior ADF official pushes back on the Premier's suggestions Army personnel weren't offered to help.www.abc.net.au
ADF had troops on standby and they were offered. Refer attached.
An elderly person with Coronavirus doesn't need a reasonably high level of medical support?
Age Care homes have never been meant to provide high level medical support.
They are there to provide comfort and company to the elderly.
The sticking point is the use of ADF as security, they were offered and used in other states as support. It states "Lieutenant General Frewen said the ADF had been involved in a broad range of tasks, from baggage handling to concierge-type roles in hotel lobbies."
There is a lot of obfuscation going on about this. A far more pertinent point is how contact tracing failed to allow almost the whole second wave to come from 1 family of 4.
Edit to add: Andrews just stated in his presser that the ADF statement yesterday is consistent with what Andrew Crisp and he have stated, there were offers of support NOT security.
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While the blame game goes around in circles, at least the numbers seem to be going down.
They have to keep going down and I reckon the Stage 4 restrictions will be with us until the end of October, Stage 3 maybe until Christmas and then maybe Stage 2 (as long as it really is under control) beyond Christmas.
This is going to be a long haul.
DS
They have to keep going down and I reckon the Stage 4 restrictions will be with us until the end of October, Stage 3 maybe until Christmas and then maybe Stage 2 (as long as it really is under control) beyond Christmas.
This is going to be a long haul.
DS
Similar numbers to David, but seeing onward reductions in numbers of active cases outside of Aged care and healthcare and reducing overall numbers.
Aged care and healthcare workers now make up 43.5% of current active cases compared to 18.9% on 23rd July showing the 2 completely different trends occurring since they started reporting this (and probably WHY they started reporting this).
Active cases outside of aged care and healthcare workers has decreased by over 1100 since 7th August (when the numbers started to decrease) which is about a 21% reduction since then.
Aged care and healthcare workers now make up 43.5% of current active cases compared to 18.9% on 23rd July showing the 2 completely different trends occurring since they started reporting this (and probably WHY they started reporting this).
Active cases outside of aged care and healthcare workers has decreased by over 1100 since 7th August (when the numbers started to decrease) which is about a 21% reduction since then.
On the vaccine, there's no actual deal yet despite what Scomo says:
Public hospitals are still doing 70-80% of what they normally do as people are still getting sick in other ways, not everyone in a hospital is a COVID patient. Basically the only things that have reduced is non urgent elective surgery and less accidents.
That 20-30% is taken up with COVID patients and suspected COVID patients who aren't yet confirmed that are in special areas and aged care patients who have come from private aged care. Space has been taken up with expansion of ICU capacity replacing normal beds and a lot of staff are working in aged care and elsewhere at the request of the politicians and government. ( ICU capacity of 4000 may be australia wide but Victoria could never scale to anything like that )
By far the biggest group of health care workers who contracted COVID are from aged care but there are certainly clusters in public hospitals, the latest at Frankston. That will happen from time to time as asymptomatic workers come to work with it and various other methods but what I do know is that COVID passing between staff and patients either way has been limited but certainly not zero. That has been problem all over the world and it is incredibly difficult to stamp out and I also know that our levels in Victoria are quite low by world standards.
What a surprise. Morrison getting the media bump by announcing something that might not happen, like bushfire relief.
Cheers for the graphs, lads. To go from 700 daily cases to just over 200 in a fortnight is a great achievement by the Victorian people. Hang in there, everyone. Call your friends.
despite the serious effects many elderly get not all do, and many do not need the level of medical treatment that requires hospitalisation.
and aged care providers get something like $200-300/day per resident (depending on need), plus residents typically pay at least another few hundred a week themselves. providers are expected to do a lot more than provide 'comfort and company."
It was never going to be anything more than that at this stage. Not sure what the point of you bringing this up.
Currently there is no vaccine, what Scomo has signed is an LOI with AstraZeneca to manufacture the virus in Australia should the vaccine be successful. There is no way that they could sign anything more than an LOI until the vaccine has been proven and we have also proven that we enough manufacturing capacity within Australia. I suspect (as they have mentioned CSL) that CSL has easily enough capacity to produce this so its pretty much another box to tick.
People are so quick to jump on anything to ridicule someone from the other side of politics.
I suspect there are a lot of folks here that wouldn't have a problem forcing people to inject things into their bodies. It is commonly called evil.
Where do you get "providers are expected to do a lot more than provide 'comfort and company" from?
It's certainly not in the legislation covering their operations.
They provide what they have to under the legislation and that doesn't include having Doctors in house.
The facilities are not designed to nor expected to provide major medical treatment. If a resident gets ill the facility will either call their designated GP, a GP of the facilities choice or an ambulance.
That might not be ideal but it's the situation that we have.
By the way, the best thing about this agreement, is that we do not have to rely on supply of the vaccine from overseas. We will be in control of manufacturing ourselves which will ensure that Australians get access to the virus as soon as possible. If we had to rely on overseas supply then we could be waiting a long time for access to it.
