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IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.
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Well done Easton.
Aust Open could be in strife because of this.....don't really care what Novax Jocks says.
Aust Open could be in strife because of this.....don't really care what Novax Jocks says.
Or drinkers, or drug takers, or people who drive too fast? What about them idiots who go mountain climbing, solo sailing, n wandering out in the shrubbery miles from anywhere?
Perhaps we can cancel health care for anyone who exists outside of a bubble simply because living is inherently dangerous n leads to death.
The response was in reply to the concept of refusing treatment to those who knowingly put themselves at extra risk by refusing to vax themselves. Not whether they put others at risk. Fully vaxxed people are just as capable of spreading the infection as non vaxxed.
COVID patients in hospital range from a day or two in a ward to 4-5 weeks in hospital including 2-3 weeks in ICU. To give to an idea one day in ICU costs about $6,000. Not sure what the drugs costs would be so it could be more.
The most extreme COVID cases might cost the state $150-200k and at the other end of the scale $2-3k. Then you have outpatient visits after discharge on top of that.
Those numbers seem very small to me. Is that just the variable labour/consumables cost? IMO You need to factor in the fixed costs - e.g. capital cost and maintenance cost of the equipment and buildings, hospital overheads for everything from admissions, procurement, hr etc and government bureaucratic overhead etc .
But even still it pisses me off that we spend 50-100k tax dollars on someone who chose not to get a vaccine, let alone the it forces someone else out.
I lived in US for a bit and the healthcare costs were massive. I’m sure it would be in the millions order of magnitude - but probably a lot of profit in that.
We get it TM. You hate the nanny state and everything it stands for but you want all the benefits the state provides for you and your anti-vax mates.
The Nationals should be irrelevant, but they're not.
lets make them irrelevant.
Net 0 Nationals 2022
Such a superior deaf n blind personage. Why the *smile* do you insist on continually chanting your anti vax lies? What benefits are there in a year of unnecessary lock downs, *smile* mask laws shattered businesses n a crippled economy?
Might need to be careful you don't stand too close behind old mate Dan, if he bends over a bit quick you both might get an unexpected surprise.
They are in between. For example an ICU bed costs includes all the costs associated with a patient being in the bed but would not include things like drugs, pathology, radiology etc and if a specialist who was from outside the ICU had to get involved. Every single patient in the public hospital system is separately costed for their whole stay and placed into a diagnosis group and an Australian based cost and funding on a cost recovery basis is arrived at through a group called the Independent health pricing authority (IHPA) and the costing standards applied are set by them. Those costs include all the overheads of running a hospital including management costs , space etc but they do not include depreciation and amortisation of equipment or buildings as capital costs are separately funded by the states and other sources. That’s why the costing is done that way.
I'm surprised at how many people I encounter think this is over. Its only just begun in a way. I know so many people who are organising 'large'' get togethers etc, often at someone's house. I'm pretty sure vaccinated people still get and transmit covid. Yet people think they are immune in a way. Think VIC will not follow the NSW numbers and we will not see the drop off NSW has.
A very good summary of the UK experience is in this link. The good news is hospitalisations/deaths are much lower then pre-vaccination. But vulnerable people are still going to be at risk if there is more virus around.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58954793
Some positive take-outs
In the oldest group - the over-80s - 141 people in every 100,000 unvaccinated people ended up in hospital with Covid compared with 54 in every 100,000 vaccinated people. In the youngest - the under-18s - four unvaccinated people in every 100,000 needed overnight hospital treatment compared with zero in the vaccinated group.
Deaths are also being kept at a much lower level than when cases were previously this high.
Amazing that anyone can look at the real world experience of other countries and not get vaccinated.
A very good summary of the UK experience is in this link. The good news is hospitalisations/deaths are much lower then pre-vaccination. But vulnerable people are still going to be at risk if there is more virus around.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58954793
Some positive take-outs
In the oldest group - the over-80s - 141 people in every 100,000 unvaccinated people ended up in hospital with Covid compared with 54 in every 100,000 vaccinated people. In the youngest - the under-18s - four unvaccinated people in every 100,000 needed overnight hospital treatment compared with zero in the vaccinated group.
Deaths are also being kept at a much lower level than when cases were previously this high.
Amazing that anyone can look at the real world experience of other countries and not get vaccinated.
Just as I said on Monday, 75% of cases now attributable to those 40 and younger. Not surprised. How that translates into hospitalisations v those that are older, not sure. A few weeks ago it was 61% I think.
Pubs and restaurants apparently “crammed” last night in Chapel street and other places, largely with a younger set. Not sure how it could be crammed with number restrictions but anyway, concerning if so.
Think I might give crowded indoor venues with a lot of young people in them a miss for a while until I get a booster.
Pubs and restaurants apparently “crammed” last night in Chapel street and other places, largely with a younger set. Not sure how it could be crammed with number restrictions but anyway, concerning if so.
Think I might give crowded indoor venues with a lot of young people in them a miss for a while until I get a booster.
