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Sixth drop in virus cases puzzles scientists in the UK (paywalled)

The number of reported coronavirus cases in the UK has fallen for the sixth day in a row, offering further hope that the peak of a third wave has passed.

There were 24,950 positive cases on Monday, a decrease of 15,000 from 39,950 last Monday and down from 54,000 on July 17. One model shows the R number at below one, suggesting that the pandemic is shrinking.

Boris Johnson and health officials were still urging caution, particularly as the impact of lifting legal limits on social contact in England last Monday has not yet been reflected in the data.

Dr Christopher Jewell, of Lancaster University, an epidemiologist who sits on the government’s Spi-M panel of advisers, said: “We will know more as the week unfolds, but certainly our current model-based estimates have gone from R [being roughly] 1 three days ago to R being less than 1 today (Tuesday).”

He said he suspected that the fall in cases “had something to do with schools breaking up and contact patterns changing”, but he warned that the fall could be explained by other factors, including the possibility that people “may be less inclined to get tested if they have summer holidays booked”.

One professor described previous warnings that Britain could have more than 100,000 new infections a day over the summer as a “substantial over-estimate”. Paul Hunter, of the University of East Anglia, said the fall in cases was likely to be linked to Euro 2020, when lots of people were likely to have caught the virus when they came together to watch games in large groups. “A lot of people might be disgusted by me saying this, but ultimately the Euros might turn out to be one of the things that make the rest of the summer less stressful, as we’ve effectively immunised a lot more younger people who wouldn’t otherwise have come for or been available for a vaccine,” he said. “But I would stress that I would never suggest that as a control strategy in advance.”

Fourteen deaths were reported on Monday, compared with 28 on Sunday. The number of people being admitted to hospital, which typically lags behind infections, continues to rise.

The number of Covid patients recorded in English hospitals on Monday exceeded 5,000 for the first time since March 18, reaching 5,055. Epidemiologists have said that they expect to see the number of hospital cases owing to Covid-19 “plateau” this week.

A No 10 spokesman said: “The prime minister doesn’t think we’re out of the woods yet and has stressed many times before that the pandemic isn’t over”, adding that lifting restrictions would have an “impact on case numbers”.

Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, said: “It is too early to be sure about cases falling and the next few weeks will give us a better sense of whether this is an indication of a longer-term decline, particularly following the lifting of restrictions.” She urged people to get both vaccine doses, meet outside where possible and isolate if told to.

NHS leaders have also warned that the health service is under as much strain as it was at the height of the pandemic in January. NHS Providers has written to the prime minister, chancellor, health secretary and chief executive of NHS England, setting out pressures, including record waiting lists, record levels of demand in A&E and growing Covid-19 admissions.

Experts are cautious over the falling figures, saying that the good weather may have led more people to socialise outdoors. The closure of school year-group “bubbles” and the so-called pingdemic of warnings from the NHS app may have led more people to isolate.

Stephen Griffin of the University of Leeds school of medicine said: “While this appears to be good news, I would be surprised if we are likely to see a continuation of this decline.”

James Naismith, director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute at Oxford University, said: “I hope these testing numbers, which show such a rapid drop in infections, are an accurate reflection of reality.”
 
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I'm pissed off at NSW as a whole. They are not doing what they should be and have been complaining for weeks how hard the lockdown is when they haven't even done it right.

You either eliminate delta or it eliminates the rest of Australia, it's people, it's health system and its economy.
Yes it's the thumbing of the nose at the rest of the states that's so infuriating.
 
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Visitors to a residence in Greater Sydney​

Generally, visiting another person is not a reasonable excuse to leave your home.

You must not allow a person to visit your home, except if it is

  • for permitted work
  • for childcare
  • to give effect to arrangements between parents and children under 18 or their siblings
  • to assist a person to move places of residence
  • to avoid an injury or serious risk of harm
  • because of an emergency
  • to view or inspect property to lease or purchase it.
Socialising isn’t a reasonable excuse to have visitors or leave home.


They have the rules, people obviously choose to ignore them.

Yep, you could drive a truck through those rules, and, as surprising as it may seem, many are.

Compare that to the incredibly complex and difficult to interpret rules in Victoria where the lockdown is relaxed:
  • No visitors to your home for two weeks
Why do they insist on overly complicated rules in NSW, it is a recipe for people finding holes in the rules.

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No but you can meet 30 of your mates down the pub

Groups are limited to 10 patrons only so thats not right. Some people might try to flaunt this by pretending they don't know others but there's definitely a rule in place.

Give it a week or 2 and we should have more freedoms back.
 
No but you can meet 30 of your mates down the pub
all the flaws were pointed out every other time we have come out of lockdown, but every time it has worked.
there are some cases of transmission at pubs etc, but there are 100s from households.
 
Yep this is where a curfew and a radius makes it easy to police those rules because most of this stuff (other than moving house perhaps) would happen outside of 9-5 hours.

I didn’t originally agree with it but given we have proven again and again you can’t trust everyone and it only take a few *smile* to screw it up then this gives you a very easy way to police the rules. Way too easy to break the rules invisibly for your own personal reasons if you are a flouter. Much harder if you want a dance party at your house after work if there is a curfew Or even go around somewhere for a dinner party and then come home.
Yeh I didn’t like it but people are proving time and again they can’t be trusted so a curfew should be mandatory.
 
Watching Sydney news now. Apparently RPA hospital turning away ambulances because of a Covid cluster or something. Campsie police told to isolate because they are all close contacts.

Hopefully NSW are prioritising aged care residents and workers, or at least standing down workers who won't vaccinate.
 
Sixth drop in virus cases puzzles scientists in the UK (paywalled)

The number of reported coronavirus cases in the UK has fallen for the sixth day in a row, offering further hope that the peak of a third wave has passed.

There were 24,950 positive cases on Monday, a decrease of 15,000 from 39,950 last Monday and down from 54,000 on July 17. One model shows the R number at below one, suggesting that the pandemic is shrinking.

Boris Johnson and health officials were still urging caution, particularly as the impact of lifting legal limits on social contact in England last Monday has not yet been reflected in the data.

Dr Christopher Jewell, of Lancaster University, an epidemiologist who sits on the government’s Spi-M panel of advisers, said: “We will know more as the week unfolds, but certainly our current model-based estimates have gone from R [being roughly] 1 three days ago to R being less than 1 today (Tuesday).”

He said he suspected that the fall in cases “had something to do with schools breaking up and contact patterns changing”, but he warned that the fall could be explained by other factors, including the possibility that people “may be less inclined to get tested if they have summer holidays booked”.

One professor described previous warnings that Britain could have more than 100,000 new infections a day over the summer as a “substantial over-estimate”. Paul Hunter, of the University of East Anglia, said the fall in cases was likely to be linked to Euro 2020, when lots of people were likely to have caught the virus when they came together to watch games in large groups. “A lot of people might be disgusted by me saying this, but ultimately the Euros might turn out to be one of the things that make the rest of the summer less stressful, as we’ve effectively immunised a lot more younger people who wouldn’t otherwise have come for or been available for a vaccine,” he said. “But I would stress that I would never suggest that as a control strategy in advance.”

Fourteen deaths were reported on Monday, compared with 28 on Sunday. The number of people being admitted to hospital, which typically lags behind infections, continues to rise.

The number of Covid patients recorded in English hospitals on Monday exceeded 5,000 for the first time since March 18, reaching 5,055. Epidemiologists have said that they expect to see the number of hospital cases owing to Covid-19 “plateau” this week.

A No 10 spokesman said: “The prime minister doesn’t think we’re out of the woods yet and has stressed many times before that the pandemic isn’t over”, adding that lifting restrictions would have an “impact on case numbers”.

Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, said: “It is too early to be sure about cases falling and the next few weeks will give us a better sense of whether this is an indication of a longer-term decline, particularly following the lifting of restrictions.” She urged people to get both vaccine doses, meet outside where possible and isolate if told to.

NHS leaders have also warned that the health service is under as much strain as it was at the height of the pandemic in January. NHS Providers has written to the prime minister, chancellor, health secretary and chief executive of NHS England, setting out pressures, including record waiting lists, record levels of demand in A&E and growing Covid-19 admissions.

Experts are cautious over the falling figures, saying that the good weather may have led more people to socialise outdoors. The closure of school year-group “bubbles” and the so-called pingdemic of warnings from the NHS app may have led more people to isolate.

Stephen Griffin of the University of Leeds school of medicine said: “While this appears to be good news, I would be surprised if we are likely to see a continuation of this decline.”

James Naismith, director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute at Oxford University, said: “I hope these testing numbers, which show such a rapid drop in infections, are an accurate reflection of reality.”
No coincidence either that this spike occurred around the time of the Euros. They’ve now ended and we’re into summer school holidays. 80%+ double vaccinated helps as well.
 
Sydney lock down will be extended for another 4 weeks.

Alan Jones calls for public coroner reports of all declared covid deaths.
 
700 pages of covid chat summarised well by this Irish dude in link below. (Well I’m assuming that given his name) made me chuckle even though I got a 4pm SMS saying I was in a tier 2 exposure site on the 15th 2 days after my second Pfizer (train in the morning). Test done in 10 mins at Sandringham hospital.

 
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Sydney lock down will be extended for another 4 weeks.

Alan Jones calls for public coroner reports of all declared covid deaths.
Is he trying to prove that we are exaggerating the number of covid deaths? Is that his main focus of the current mess?
 
Bit rich, coming from a country with one-fifth of Australia's population and five times the deaths.

Yeah the gold standard stuff is bunk, designed to give the public confidence in the authorities making the decisions. Yeah some of them have been revealed to possess low competency. Yeah there have been plenty of *smile*-ups. Yeah we've put lives first, and I'm grateful for it.

Writer sounds like he lost money on a holiday out here that had to be cancelled.
 
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