Damien Hardwick [Merged]

[yandb]

Just remember Brodders, Dimma himself was in the same category when we offered him the gig.

Out of that list Knights stands out having 3 years experience at the senior level and a further 4 years apprentiship under Scott.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Gale is probably still scratching his head at the Morris to the forward line call.

 

[lamb22]

WOW, that's a shallow and very uninspiring pool of candidates. If that's the best of the prospective coaches then give Dimma a two year extension and let's get on with it.

Get into Hodgies ear about joining our coaching team when his playing days are done, with a view to fast tracking into the senior job. He makes no secret of being a mad tiger supporter as a kid and still has a soft spot for us. Who knows he could turn out be our Kevin Sheedy.

If history serves as any sort of guide the Tigers approached Hardwick about taking the senior job 12 months prior to it becoming available so if Dimma tenure is in any sort of doubt his replacement would have been identified and approached already. If it is Dew then I hope catering isn't part of the deal :cutelaugh

Clarkson and Simpson looked pretty uninspiring choices at the time from the outside.

Hinkley was overlooked by nearly everyone.

Funnily enough these blokes win finals.

 

[toby64]

Any contender bar Neeld would guarantee top 4.

"Guarantee"!!!!! :rofl :rofl

Clarkson and Simpson looked pretty uninspiring choices at the time from the outside.

Hinkley was overlooked by nearly everyone.

Funnily enough these blokes win finals.

When they make finals.

Hinkley took a pre season premiership fancy to 9th last year.

His gameplan got found out and the team struggled to adapt. Sounds familiar.

Imagine if he had have coached Richmond to a season like that? You and the rest of the anti-Dimma crew would be sacking him and then onto the next one.

But the grass is always greener on PRE.

 

[leon]

Quote from Ben Cousins in his book, My Life Story.
" Dimma set out his blueprint of how he wanted Richmond to play. For someone who had been around footy a long time, i was suprised at how different it was from anything i'd been part of...But now, team defence-techniques of how to cohere as a team when the opposition had the ball-was where the game was evolving...To his credit, he never wavered in his belief in what he was implementing, and the players bought into it."

6 years later and i still believe he hasn't wavered from that plan. Have we had long enough to see if it works? It worked for Hawthorn but perhaps we've missed the boat...

Always enjoy the debate/discussion here but everything's contextual. The fact is that in the AFL jungle you have to battle other coaches and their game-plans. Like Rossi and Roosy who employ ultra-defensive game plans against you designed and calibrated to stifle and smother your attacking flair if you start to get on top or on a run. Beginning with stacking the stoppages with players and causing continuous breakdowns until you turn the ball over to their hardened midfield grunt (or the defensive plus-1/2) . It is just naive to think old-style open, attacking play will defeat this; instead this just plays into their calculated hands. The Hawks are similar but rely on controlling possession, hard running and an offensive team that can really hurt you quickly on the turnover due to its speed, skill and flexibility.

If Dimma is accused of attempting to imitate this style, he has lacked the forward line mix capable of implementing it. The FL is and has been our weakness for his whole era, and even further back to Richo's day, where we rely so much on one great player - now Jack (who some on PRE now want to throw into the midfield) !!

I also have been critical of Dimma here on PRE, but am a supporter overall too, because I don't feel he has quite had the list in skills and flexibility needed to really succeed - same as Lyon at Freo whose FL has relied so much on Pav (although they have successful SFs). I am really hopeful that will change due to our recruiting over the last 2 years where we have chosen players with speed, skill and attacking flair. But they are still really young and in development.

So it's a crucial year for everyone on the Tigga Train in 2016. I, for one, am willing to enjoy the ride and give Dimma his chance to rise to the challenge. Don't worry; his post-match address to the players after another EF loss shows he is acutely aware. He may finally be able to generate further goals from an ever-evolving range of players over the next few years.

But never forget the Roos were allowed to give many top players a rest-week previous to that EF.

 

[lamb22]

"Guarantee"!!!!! :rofl :rofl


When they make finals.

Hinkley took a pre season premiership fancy to 9th last year.

His gameplan got found out and the team struggled to adapt. Sounds familiar.

Imagine if he had have coached Richmond to a season like that? You and the rest of the anti-Dimma crew would be sacking him and then onto the next one.

But the grass is always greener on PRE.

I would have been ecstatic if Hardwick would have got us to within a kick of a granny in year 2 after inheriting a rabble.

I would have been ecstatic if Hardwick had played and won finals year 1.

I would be very happy to see Richmond play a Port style game plan even if we finished 9th after having the toughest draw in the league. How much more Jack Lids and Cotch would thrive in a Hinkley environment would be amazing to behold.

Port will finish higher than us this year even with two established players being rubbed out (unless Hardwick is punted pre season).

 

[lamb22]

Just further to my previous post. Port has an 8 -12 list. The main reason it plays and wins finals is Hinkley.

Richmond has a 1 -4 list. The main reason we miss top 4 and don't win finals is Hardwick.

 

[tigersnake]

Port will finish higher than us this year even with two established players being rubbed out (unless Hardwick is punted pre season).

I'll take that bet

 

[lamb22]

I'll take that bet

I don't bet against Richmond. Golden rule for me.

 

[yandb]

Always enjoy the debate/discussion here but everything's contextual. The fact is that in the AFL jungle you have to battle other coaches and their game-plans. Like Rossi and Roosy who employ ultra-defensive game plans against you designed and calibrated to stifle and smother your attacking flair if you start to get on top or on a run. Beginning with stacking the stoppages with players and causing continuous breakdowns until you turn the ball over to their hardened midfield grunt (or the defensive plus-1/2) . It is just naive to think old-style open, attacking play will defeat this; instead this just plays into their calculated hands. The Hawks are similar but rely on controlling possession, hard running and an offensive team that can really hurt you quickly on the turnover due to its speed, skill and flexibility.

If Dimma is accused of attempting to imitate this style, he has lacked the forward line mix capable of implementing it. The FL is and has been our weakness for his whole era, and even further back to Richo's day, where we rely so much on one great player - now Jack (who some on PRE now want to throw into the midfield) !!

I also have been critical of Dimma here on PRE, but am a supporter overall too, because I don't feel he has quite had the list in skills and flexibility needed to really succeed - same as Lyon at Freo whose FL has relied so much on Pav (although they have successful SFs). I am really hopeful that will change due to our recruiting over the last 2 years where we have chosen players with speed, skill and attacking flair. But they are still really young and in development.

So it's a crucial year for everyone on the Tigga Train in 2016. I, for one, am willing to enjoy the ride and give Dimma his chance to rise to the challenge. Don't worry; his post-match address to the players after another EF loss shows he is acutely aware. He may finally be able to generate further goals from an ever-evolving range of players over the next few years.

But never forget the Roos were allowed to give many top players a rest-week previous to that EF.

The reason he hasn't got a forward line mix is he is always playing a 5 man forward line against a 6 man defence.

Maybe he may take a risk and give our forward line a decent chance playing six players against their six defenders.

Dimma had the chance to rest our players but chose not to.

 

[DLR]

Just further to my previous post. Port has an 8 -12 list. The main reason it plays and wins finals is Hinkley.

Richmond has a 1 -4 list. The main reason we miss top 4 and don't win finals is Hardwick.

Harsh, but possibly fair.

Like another said, that short list of coaching options is probably not worth changing the coach for just yet. Dimma deserves 2016 to prove his worth under the current contract. He deserves every support possible, am hoping he can change things up enough to get us all primed for finals again!

 

[Sintiger]

you got the recruiting team picking guys that are kryptonite to him

If you think the recruiting team picks players without a large degree of input from the senior coach then you are delusional. He may not pick the actual player but he would be well and truly aware of the type of player(s) we were after

 

[Carter]

If you think the recruiting team picks players without a large degree of input from the senior coach then you are delusional. He may not pick the actual player but he would be well and truly aware of the type of player(s) we were after

Not necessarily. A blueprint would've been agreed upon at the start of Dimma's tenure.

Grab the dour foot soldiers, the high percentage types, first.

Invest in speculative talls along the way.

Finally, sprinkle some fairy dust over the porridge.

Just because there is a clear plan doesn't mean Dimma has to like this particular phase.

Wouldn't be the first coach at odds with recruitment.

Coaches often cannot help but coach for the short term. That is hardly a crime considering their performance is assessed from year to year.

Recruiters look to safeguard the best interests of the club long term.

 

[Sintiger]

Not necessarily. A blueprint would've been agreed upon at the start of Dimma's tenure.

Grab the dour foot soldiers, the high percentage types, first.

Invest in speculative talls along the way.

Finally, sprinkle some fairy dust over the porridge.

Just because there is a clear plan doesn't mean Dimma has to like this particular phase.

Wouldn't be the first coach at odds with recruitment.

Coaches often cannot help but coach for the short term. That is hardly a crime considering their performance is assessed from year to year.

Recruiters look to safeguard the best interests of the club long term.

Nonsense, it just suits your argument so you throw it out.

Dimma would be well and truly bought into the recruiting plans. Any club that did anything else would be just plain stupid or deliberately trying the undermine the Coach. I would be very surprised if RFC is either.

Of course what you actually said was that the club was recruiting players that were kryptonite to him. The reality is that apart from your own bias this is nothing more than speculation and the result would be if it were true that the club is deliberately ignoring his wishes in recruiting. That's a very damning allegation.

 

[Carter]

Nonsense, it just suits your argument so you throw it out.

Dimma would be well and truly bought into the recruiting plans. Any club that did anything else would be just plain stupid or deliberately trying the undermine the Coach. I would be very surprised if RFC is either.

Of course what you actually said was that the club was recruiting players that were kryptonite to him. The reality is that apart from your own bias this is nothing more than speculation and the result would be if it were true that the club is deliberately ignoring his wishes in recruiting. That's a very damning allegation.

Sin, if you believe the coaches and recruiters are on the same page all the time then you are quite naive.

 

[Sintiger]

Sin, if you believe the coaches and recruiters are on the same page all the time then you are quite naive.

Not as naive as someone who believes a club would deliberately recruit players who are kryptonite to the Coach. Seriously think about what you are actually saying.

 

[K3]

Sin, if you believe the coaches and recruiters are on the same page all the time then you are quite naive.

IMO there would be 0 chance of the above 'not' happening. Could you imagine it? Great way to destroy a club from the inside out...!

 

[zgod]

Jeez wish the footy would start.

 

[Quickdraw]

Jeez wish the footy would start.

:rofl

 

[Carter]

Not as naive as someone who believes a club would deliberately recruit players who are kryptonite to the Coach. Seriously think about what you are actually saying.

I humbly suggest you look at every team selection from the last three years.

This is Dimma's idea of a forward line:

Vickery.
Newman. Riewoldt. Morris.

Throw a midfielder in there for the fifth.

Sure, Lloyd, Lennon hell even McBean got chances but always on borrowed time.

Who did we recruit plenty of in the last two drafts?

Forward types.

Not much sign of them yet, and Dimma might yet use one or two.

But you cannot tell me that he has favoured this type of player over the journey.

Ask the head recruiter at Fremantle if he agrees with Ross Lyon's philosophies.

There would be varying degrees of tension in all clubs. Sometimes the recruiters might have an influential phase (St Kilda), other times the head coach gets to top up (Sydney). Depends on the development cycle.

If you can't handle the word 'kryptonite' then I think you'd better have a cuppa and lie down.

But you cannot possibly tell me Dimma's system favours free wheeling, attacking forwards (except for Jack).