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Gill’s legacy

Ian4

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May 6, 2004
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Record crowds at the footy, but TV ratings well down and getting destroyed by the NRL
 
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tigersnake

Tear 'em apart
Sep 10, 2003
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I'm sick of the AFL. Its very frustrating because there's nothing we can do about it. We have no voice.

To me the AFL hates us, this is self evident, and has plenty of evidence to back it up that has been discussed elsewhere. Some people can, and do, argue against individual pieces of evidence, but when you line it all up and look at the patterns and the trend, its a very strong argument at worst, irrefutable at best.

I think the club is frustrated and has been for some time. We need a strategy. I think we would have one, but executing it not easy. The AFL is, objectively, unaccountable, opaque and lacking in diversity.

The strategy should be 2 pronged.

1) campaign and agitate for change. I believe we have been doing this through Peggy and Benny. I don't think we have been going very hard mind you, but the AFL is ruthless and defensive and any criticism or agitation would be hard to prosecute and be met with aggression, and possibly retribution, Benny not in the frame for the CEO job might be because he isn't up to it, or he might not be a team player, I don't think so.

2) get someone on the commission. Its amazing we haven't, and speaks volumes in support of the above. we are one of the biggest, maybe the biggest, club in the land, a cultural and economic powerhouse. To my knowledge we haven't had anyone in head office since Alan Schwab, and he died in the mid 90s, a long time ago and a good 5 or 6 years before the rot set in when demetriou and fitzy nobbled the Commission.
 
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MB78

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The commission are spineless. If the CEO wants to leave get the replacement and new ideas in the building.

From the top down, especially the umpires they don’t have a transparent culture of improvement. This can only build mediocrity in the long run.

The biggest blight on Gil’s legacy is how they have left community football. So much paperwork, crap systems like PlayHQ, making the game even harder to umpire (clubs umpire more game’s every year). The game is only being invested in for elites in boys and girls.
 
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jb03

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Jan 28, 2004
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Gil should just quit. It's not his obligation to stay on until they find someone. It's the commission's job (not that they do anything).

There is something dodgy going on for sure.
 
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spook

Kick the f*ckin' goal
Jun 18, 2007
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I'm sick of the AFL. Its very frustrating because there's nothing we can do about it. We have no voice.

To me the AFL hates us, this is self evident, and has plenty of evidence to back it up that has been discussed elsewhere. Some people can, and do, argue against individual pieces of evidence, but when you line it all up and look at the patterns and the trend, its a very strong argument at worst, irrefutable at best.

I think the club is frustrated and has been for some time. We need a strategy. I think we would have one, but executing it not easy. The AFL is, objectively, unaccountable, opaque and lacking in diversity.

The strategy should be 2 pronged.

1) campaign and agitate for change. I believe we have been doing this through Peggy and Benny. I don't think we have been going very hard mind you, but the AFL is ruthless and defensive and any criticism or agitation would be hard to prosecute and be met with aggression, and possibly retribution, Benny not in the frame for the CEO job might be because he isn't up to it, or he might not be a team player, I don't think so.

2) get someone on the commission. Its amazing we haven't, and speaks volumes in support of the above. we are one of the biggest, maybe the biggest, club in the land, a cultural and economic powerhouse. To my knowledge we haven't had anyone in head office since Alan Schwab, and he died in the mid 90s, a long time ago and a good 5 or 6 years before the rot set in when demetriou and fitzy nobbled the Commission.
No question. Benny should be league CEO and Peggy on the commission. It'd be great for the game. But not good for the boys' club cartel, hence it won't happen.
 
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tigersnake

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Sep 10, 2003
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No question. Benny should be league CEO and Peggy on the commission. It'd be great for the game. But not good for the boys' club cartel, hence it won't happen.
I don't disagree, but how far and how long can they push it? There are limits. They can't stay stay a cagey rich white man's closed shop forever. Something has to give. I think that's why GM is hanging around, its dawning on them they have to change or get more sophisticated about pretending to change. I think they've reached their conceal, deny and spin threshold.
 
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spook

Kick the f*ckin' goal
Jun 18, 2007
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I don't disagree, but how far and how long can they push it? There are limits. They can't stay stay a cagey rich white man's closed shop forever. Something has to give. I think that's why GM is hanging around, its dawning on them they have to change or get more sophisticated about pretending to change. I think they've reached their conceal, deny and spin threshold.
I agree, brother. Always darkest before the dawn. Soon the good guys will have to come in and clean up the mess, as we're seeing with elections.
 
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I'm sick of the AFL. Its very frustrating because there's nothing we can do about it. We have no voice.

To me the AFL hates us, this is self evident, and has plenty of evidence to back it up that has been discussed elsewhere. Some people can, and do, argue against individual pieces of evidence, but when you line it all up and look at the patterns and the trend, its a very strong argument at worst, irrefutable at best.

I think the club is frustrated and has been for some time. We need a strategy. I think we would have one, but executing it not easy. The AFL is, objectively, unaccountable, opaque and lacking in diversity.

The strategy should be 2 pronged.

1) campaign and agitate for change. I believe we have been doing this through Peggy and Benny. I don't think we have been going very hard mind you, but the AFL is ruthless and defensive and any criticism or agitation would be hard to prosecute and be met with aggression, and possibly retribution, Benny not in the frame for the CEO job might be because he isn't up to it, or he might not be a team player, I don't think so.

2) get someone on the commission. Its amazing we haven't, and speaks volumes in support of the above. we are one of the biggest, maybe the biggest, club in the land, a cultural and economic powerhouse. To my knowledge we haven't had anyone in head office since Alan Schwab, and he died in the mid 90s, a long time ago and a good 5 or 6 years before the rot set in when demetriou and fitzy nobbled the Commission.
They slashed our dollars this year from the club's coffers in a year that we're looking for every cent we can get to contribute towards a new development. Little help & few dollars towards a massive expensive project.

New RFC President O'Rourke says it all without saying it. The competition (Socialist Football League) is designed to nobble the powerful clubs & prop up the struggling clubs. It's why they changed the game's rules on us. It's why the ARC farce. It's why we're bottom of the free kick count. It's why Lynch is at the tribunal.

Ultimately their business model relies on us failing.
 
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Little Ziggyadee

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They slashed our dollars this year from the club's coffers in a year that we're looking for every cent we can get to contribute towards a new development. Little help & few dollars towards a massive expensive project.

New RFC President O'Rourke says it all without saying it. The competition (Socialist Football League) is designed to nobble the powerful clubs & prop up the struggling clubs. It's why they changed the game's rules on us. It's why the ARC farce. It's why we're bottom of the free kick count. It's why Lynch is at the tribunal.

Ultimately their business model relies on us failing.
Rich clubs are sitting in the bottom of the ladder Richmond WC while cashless clubs are basking in the 8, Stkilda & Melbourne
We need a super league.
No salary cap
 

DavidSSS

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If the big clubs lose support then the AFL will have less revenue. We all understand the equalisation aspects of the draft, salary cap etc and they are necessary or we would already have seen a few clubs gone and a diminished competition. But if their strategy has any inkling of rich clubs getting less favourable treatment just because they are rich clubs then they will lose the support they need to continue.

DS
 
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Willo

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Oct 13, 2007
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Gill, sHocking, clickbait cornes, drunken slobbo et al. What a joke of a competition.
Well I suppose the competition isn’t what it was, now that it’s a sports entertainment industry.
 
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craig

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Aug 19, 2004
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Gill, sHocking, clickbait cornes, drunken slobbo et al. What a joke of a competition.
Well I suppose the competition isn’t what it was, now that it’s a sports entertainment industry.
Also a weaponised social engineering tool.
 
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waiting

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Apr 15, 2007
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Gil should just quit. It's not his obligation to stay on until they find someone. It's the commission's job (not that they do anything).

There is something dodgy going on for sure.
A nice salary & bonuses will do that Jb.

$$$$$!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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Dyer'ere

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Sep 21, 2004
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I'm sick of the AFL. Its very frustrating because there's nothing we can do about it. We have no voice.

To me the AFL hates us, this is self evident, and has plenty of evidence to back it up that has been discussed elsewhere. Some people can, and do, argue against individual pieces of evidence, but when you line it all up and look at the patterns and the trend, its a very strong argument at worst, irrefutable at best.

I think the club is frustrated and has been for some time. We need a strategy. I think we would have one, but executing it not easy. The AFL is, objectively, unaccountable, opaque and lacking in diversity.

The strategy should be 2 pronged.

1) campaign and agitate for change. I believe we have been doing this through Peggy and Benny. I don't think we have been going very hard mind you, but the AFL is ruthless and defensive and any criticism or agitation would be hard to prosecute and be met with aggression, and possibly retribution, Benny not in the frame for the CEO job might be because he isn't up to it, or he might not be a team player, I don't think so.

2) get someone on the commission. Its amazing we haven't, and speaks volumes in support of the above. we are one of the biggest, maybe the biggest, club in the land, a cultural and economic powerhouse. To my knowledge we haven't had anyone in head office since Alan Schwab, and he died in the mid 90s, a long time ago and a good 5 or 6 years before the rot set in when demetriou and fitzy nobbled the Commission.
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