Hardwick

[btoz_01]

We panic bombed the ball into our F50. This is not our system and it started a lot of our problems.

It allowed them to spoil away from our pressure and get clear kicks down the line. Much was made of the contested outlet but mostly they were kicking it out to uncontested situations.

That said some parts of our system are now exposed rather than broken.

We've been crying out for a tall forward all year to take the heat off Jack being triple teamed. Of course thered be pressure on us in finals so we resort to kicking it to Jack and he can do it all.
We could have tried Nank as a tall forward with Soldo rucking or even giving Balta a shot but IMO we thought our 2017 game plan would stack up and without changing it wed win another flag in 2018

 

[tivas-turnover]

Agree with a lot of the discussion on here.
Hardwick classy in defeat.
Buckley out coached our system.
Our cracks were turned into the Grand Canyon.
Our lack of a second ruck enabled Collingwood to win stoppages.
Nankervis had his worst game at Richmond .
Lack of second forward to help Jack exposed.
Short, Prestia and Graham had disappointing games.
We need more class and speed in the midfield, effective ball winners and users.
Tagging Sidebottom and Adams is just plugging the leaks, not taking the game on and make them try and close us down.
I have faith that Hardwick and Co will sort through the list and make the right list changes.
Next year may see Rioli in the midfield, Bolton take his place in the forward line.
If we are in the window still, everything needs to be forensically examined.

 

[tigerlove]

We've been crying out for a tall forward all year to take the heat off Jack being triple teamed. Of course thered be pressure on us in finals so we resort to kicking it to Jack and he can do it all.
We could have tried Nank as a tall forward with Soldo rucking or even giving Balta a shot but IMO we thought our 2017 game plan would stack up and without changing it wed win another flag in 2018

It is interesting though that Collingwood are playing a similar forward structure with just one true sized (or oversized in this case) tall, the difference is they have the next two as rather tall forwards, De Goey at 191cm and Mihocek at 192cm. Even Stephenson 188cm and Hoskin Elliot 186cm aren't midgets. We ont he other hand have Rioli 179cm, Castagna 181cm, Higgins 177cm, Caddy 186cm, Bulter when playing 182cm. Other forwards we're sweating on in the future Stengle 172cm, Bolton 175cm. Have Collingwood found the tweak needed to take our winning formula of last year to the next level?

 

[Bill James]

It is interesting though that Collingwood are playing a similar forward structure with just one true sized (or oversized in this case) tall, the difference is they have the next two as rather tall forwards, De Goey at 191cm and Mihocek at 192cm. Even Stephenson 188cm and Hoskin Elliot 186cm aren't midgets. We ont he other hand have Rioli 179cm, Castagna 181cm, Higgins 177cm, Caddy 186cm, Bulter when playing 182cm. Other forwards we're sweating on in the future Stengle 172cm, Bolton 175cm. Have Collingwood found the tweak needed to take our winning formula of last year to the next level?

Yep add to that Collingwood played one tall back Goldsack 193cm the rest are mediums -190cm, Maynard, Howe, Crisp, Langdon. Last year they were regularly playing talls, Schade, Dunn, Reid

We play four +192cm backs and one medium Vlaus.

 

[yandb]

Hardwick and his assistants must own the loss, hopefully with Balme overseeing the review some calculated decisions will be made.

They did well to take this team deep into the finals but our tactics have been worked out and a few players need to be told that they will not be guaranteed games next year.

Maybe our Football dept. were aware of the deficiencies at the start of the year and chose to work Balta and CCJ hard this year to accelerate their endurance development so they would be better prepared for next season.

I believe that after the trade period we will have traded in a ruckman ruckman and have picks to draft a couple of contested ball beasts.

 

[IanG]

Being “process driven” and “relying on our processes” may be the cornerstone of Hardwicks coaching, however on Friday night he was exposed by his opposition coach who unlike Hardwick was prepared to do what it takes to counter the Tiger strengths and exploit our weaknesses and unlike most of the media and supporters had a better idea on the real physical condition of a number of Tigers.

Process driven without the courage to observe the situation objectively on any game day when your side is losing as convincingly as we were on Friday night and making necessary changes to wrestle the game back, is poor coaching. And being far too reliant on a limited coaching philosophy has been a major flaw in Hardwick’s coaching. True many of the Tigers were down on form but it's also true at least two, if not more, should have been rested because they were not 100% fit.

If we are a process driven team playing players in a an unfamiliar spot in our structure will not win us the game. Its like in soccer moving a centre back to a striker. And without that process we don't win the premiership last year. Yes it makes us less flexible but it makes us better able to cover for injuries and will give us more longevity near the top of the ladder. Something I doubt Collingwood will have.

 

[jamo]

The one thing that frustrated me the most last night was Sidebottom on his own for 4 qtrs., no one went with him, he is the best player on their team with no space, give him space and he is elite, he showed that last night.

A poor team effort overall, they played their way for 10 minutes, the rest was Richmond circa 2016.

Watch that replay boys and work your assess off for redemption, you let yourselves down, what a great back up season they had, its a shame, but no one to blame other than themselves.

 

[Sintiger]

Dimma made some mistakes last night the biggest was not playing grimes on DeGoey all night. That wasn't the reason we lost though.

 

[seven]

I thought Conca or Graham was going to tag frontbottom.
Let him run around all night.
Seriously he still has a lot to learn about football.
Collingwood done their homework.
It was like we just rocked up with a few injured players and expected to win.

 

[Tigerdangerous]

If we are a process driven team playing players in a an unfamiliar spot in our structure will not win us the game. Its like in soccer moving a centre back to a striker. And without that process we don't win the premiership last year. Yes it makes us less flexible but it makes us better able to cover for injuries and will give us more longevity near the top of the ladder. Something I doubt Collingwood will have.

Process driven began at the selection table when hard decisions were not made by Hardwick (he stuck to his playbook and in reflection I'm wondering just how much or how little did the coaching crew study the Collingwood team, their recent form and what was generating that form?) and was the beginning of what became a truly forgettable evening for the players, the coach and the supporters.

 

[Brettstigers]

Next year we will have to play two rucks. Grundy showed the world last night how to open up Grigg.

Next year I agree we need an option for Collingwood and West Coast. We need Chol or CCJ to be able to play like Majak Daw, Olea or Blicavs and play on Cox or Vardy/Lycett and relieve Nankervis when he is on Gruyndy or Nic Nat.
Don't need a second ruck vs very club but these two teams demand it.

Issue for me is that Daw took a long time to come into his own and Chol and CCJ aren't ready.

 

[fastin bulbous]

Process driven began at the selection table when hard decisions were not made by Hardwick (he stuck to his playbook and in reflection I'm wondering just how much or how little did the coaching crew study the Collingwood team, their recent form and what was generating that form?) and was the beginning of what became a truly forgettable evening for the players, the coach and the supporters.

It’s always been a perceived weakness with dimma, a stubborn lack of flexibility on game day. He did stick Astbury forward though. I agree with all criticising re Sidebottom and degoey match ups (or lack of)

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yeah he made some mistakes on gameday but that was the best losing post match press conference I have ever seen.

Class 101.

 

[UKTiger]

Dimma and the coaching team will put up their hands and admit last night wasn't their best game of the season but that happens in sport. Then again the bulk of our team forgot to turn up for the match and there is nothing the coach can do about that except some mitigation.
We still won the minor premiership convincingly so the season and coaching expertise was not a washout.

 

[toby64]

Didn’t Clarko say last week that every side is system based and typically no rabbits get pulled out of hats pre or during matches?

Based on this it wasn’t the game day coaching that lost us the game but rather a combination of the opposition having a better system than us and /or our system breaking down due to too many players not playing to their capacity.

Let’s face it, Collingwood’s system was better than ours and the warning signs were there when we played them last time.

 

[Tigaman]

Bottom line is we got mugged when we should not have. Complacency by coaching staff was a major factor in the Tigers being mugged when they should not have been. Rance on De Goey a complete mismatch as Rance does not shut down De goey types. It was obvious Sideburn was going to be a problem & he was big time. No one seemed to be on him. Last year we got away with Nackers & Grigg .This year was it not an embarrassment when Nackers was off & Griggy was stripped naked against Grundy & Cox. Do not like bagging Higgins but am bagging his selection over hardened runners Lloyd & Bellis. Conca got the nod over those two as well. Cox did not appear to have a marker as he was deemed to be not a threat. Wrong. Damian darling even got kudos's for his post match pressers on this site when he deserved a good swift kick up his backside.

 

[TigerForce]

Do not like bagging Higgins but am bagging his selection over hardened runners Lloyd & Bellis.

Huh?

 

[zippadeee]

Bottom line is we got mugged when we should not have. Complacency by coaching staff was a major factor in the Tigers being mugged when they should not have been. Rance on De Goey a complete mismatch as Rance does not shut down De goey types. It was obvious Sideburn was going to be a problem & he was big time. No one seemed to be on him. Last year we got away with Nackers & Grigg .This year was it not an embarrassment when Nackers was off & Griggy was stripped naked against Grundy & Cox. Do not like bagging Higgins but am bagging his selection over hardened runners Lloyd & Bellis. Conca got the nod over those two as well. Cox did not appear to have a marker as he was deemed to be not a threat. Wrong. Damian darling even got kudos's for his post match pressers on this site when he deserved a good swift kick up his backside.

Agree. They look like they took 2 weeks off and didn't have a set up to combat Collingwood's fire power.
Sidebottom was only missing a picnic basket.
Cox was ringing his mates back home telling them how easy it is to play this game.
Grundy was Simon madden last night
Degoey made Rance look like Brian Leys
That's what you get when you don't put any time into the opposition

 

[leon]

Agree. They look like they took 2 weeks off and didn't have a set up to combat Collingwood's fire power.
Sidebottom was only missing a picnic basket.
Cox was ringing his mates back home telling them how easy it is to play this game.
Grundy was Simon madden last night
Degoey made Rance look like Brian Leys
That's what you get when you don't put any time into the opposition

I also agree with you, Zips. Can anyone name one initiative or strategy we turned up with that showed we had a plan for dealing with Colonwood? Nothing that I saw. The game was gone really by halftime (over 7 goals). So we had the 2nd half, desperate moves that made a difference. We almost got a look at getting back into it. But once again, unfit playetrs meant we couldn't bridge such a gap, and were still inept in dealing with Cox and their strengths.

But I was also bothered by Dimma virtually saying the players decide the team (Dusty would kill him if he tried to tell him he wasn't fit to play!). Also that the defenders are left to decidce their own match-ups! What?

Is he the coach, in charge along with his assistants, or just their friendly adviser/counsellor? Seriously - that's what he gets the big bucks for? The team runs on their own consensus, section by section?

 

[mad_tiggy911]

What the *smile* was with our planning and preparation this week? We had 2 weeks to plan and prepare and we got our pants pulled down.

Some of the worst coaching I've seen from a Richmond side in 2 years.

Sure some of our players were cooked but you still need to take away their strengths. We pride ourselves on this. Very disappointed.