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Ridley

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Melbourne simply out worked us around the ground - had extras at the drop of the ball everywhere.

It's as simple as that. Dimma will be all over this. His number 1 rule is more jumpers in the screen and that didn't happen Saturday night.
This was clearly evident on the night. It was like Melbourne had an extra 8 players on the ground. Everywhere the ball was in dispute they outnumbered us; all over the ground. That is work rate; Melbourne players worked, ours didn't. It was a very un Richmond like performance.

Dimma was not happy at the presser. He was still measured but you could tell he was not happy. I reckon that lack of work rate had a lot do with his unhappiness.
 
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Scoop

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This was clearly evident on the night. It was like Melbourne had an extra 8 players on the ground. Everywhere the ball was in dispute they outnumbered us; all over the ground. That is work rate; Melbourne players worked, ours didn't. It was a very un Richmond like performance.

Dimma was not happy at the presser. He was still measured but you could tell he was not happy. I reckon that lack of work rate had a lot do with his unhappiness.
Agree, getting beat by a side that plays better never really worries Dimma.

Getting beat by a side with effort would infuriate Dimma. Reckon some home truths will get told.
 
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MD Jazz

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Things are never as bad or as good as they seem. After the St Kilda match we were planning the 3 peat celebrations. Now it seems we need to start a rebuild.

Ultimately if we get our best side on the park in the 2nd half of the year we will have a great shot at it. We will need a bit of luck but if we get it I wouldn't want to be supporting any other side.
 
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Smoking Aces

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This was clearly evident on the night. It was like Melbourne had an extra 8 players on the ground. Everywhere the ball was in dispute they outnumbered us; all over the ground. That is work rate; Melbourne players worked, ours didn't. It was a very un Richmond like performance.

Dimma was not happy at the presser. He was still measured but you could tell he was not happy. I reckon that lack of work rate had a lot do with his unhappiness.
For the first time he also wasnt very glowing of the opposition. Yes he did usual they played good etc but not the over the top praise he has given in the past when we have lost.

This loss hurt him.
 
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Ridley

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For the first time he also wasnt very glowing of the opposition. Yes he did usual they played good etc but not the over the top praise he has given in the past when we have lost.

This loss hurt him.
Very good observation Smoking. I did think that myself but forgot to mention it. He was respectful of the Dees and how he played but it was far from the praise that he generally lavishes on the opposition after a loss. You could tell that he thought Melbourne played well but how poorly we played was the major contributor to why we lost. This is in contrast to how he reacted after the Port loss a couple of weeks ago.
 
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Redford

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The most interesting thing I thought from his presser was that he acknowledged again that our forward movement was all wrong. Referred to having enough chances to post a winning score (more inside 50's) but couldn't kick goals, referred to playing too "straight".
 
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Harry

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The most interesting thing I thought from his presser was that he acknowledged again that our forward movement was all wrong. Referred to having enough chances to post a winning score (more inside 50's) but couldn't kick goals, referred to playing too "straight".
Having Dusty and Lambert injured contributed to us having a lack of forwards in the air and at the drop of the ball. Dusty is the third marking option who demands one or 2 defenders and Lambert is another forward crumber who applies pressure.
 
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Redford

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The other thing that was interesting from his press conference was that he was less than positive about RCD getting a game, I thought. Seemed very cool to the notion.
 

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34 points wasn't a big loss when you consider two of our prime movers were missing for much of the game with injury.
Perhaps that's where Dimma's frustrations were stemming from? Injures are starting to mount & we're light on for replacements given the poor showing of those in the VFL.
 
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AngryAnt

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I wouldn't worry about disposal efficiency and forward 50 entries and being exposed by the new rules.

Melbourne simply out worked us around the ground - had extras at the drop of the ball everywhere.

It's as simple as that. Dimma will be all over this. His number 1 rule is more jumpers in the screen and that didn't happen Saturday night.

Don't think we need to make any major changes to the way we play. It's won us 3 flags in 4 years. It's just gonna get tighter and become more of a slog as the season goes on and even more so in finals. Can the Dees maintain this form throughout the season is the big question? Even the Dogs? We know the Tigers can. Where are the Swans at now? Things can turn very quickly so I wouldn't be throwing out our flag winning formula baby with the bathwater just yet.

100% Hazza
 

tigermike

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Agree, getting beat by a side that plays better never really worries Dimma.

Getting beat by a side with effort would infuriate Dimma. Reckon some home truths will get told.
Has Rioli stopped writing those notes on his wrist bandage...run & chase? Or he doesn't look at them now? But he wasn't Robinson Crusoe in that area. When are we going to see Lynch take a high mark? He's tall enough so can't he jump?
 

theglove3

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Beavis appears to be very set in his ways on the field.

(Off the field he has certainly shown a propensity to change things up.... :)))
So back on the field before I get myself barred.

He seems to pidgeon hole players into categories.
Eg Ross appears to continually be in sub mode.
He needs as many have stated here more game time to see if he is up to it.
Can we have someone else as a sub for a change eg Caddyshack?

Each week early in the week younger players get talked up as being close to a call up eg Hugo, Cujo, RCD, Naishy etc then selection comes around and there aren't many changes.
Playing Marly in the ruck V the hipster beard was just dumb. And yes he jumped over him once and left him for dead.
However long term this will not work.
Marly needs to be wing and wing alone. So he can run and tackle and hurt the oppo.
Cujo needs a look in. This will save Nank as well.
Aartsy has had a good run. Get the feeling coach likes him.
Add to that George and Dan as well.
Again this could be the pidgeon hole theory of mine.

And don't get me started on Tom. Lost his mojo completely.

Yes, Beavis has been great in taking us to Utopia, Nirvana, Top of the jungle, whatever you want to call it.
He doesn't make too many changes either at selection or during the game IMHO.
I think he should change things up a bit.
On field!:))

Your thoughts.
 
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pete and tys

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Agree.
The non manning up of Salem and Hunt was crazy.
Dimma is stubborn and has been successful but needs to be more flexible mid game.
Playing Chol last year at seasons end was crazy when it was obvious he was not up to it.
Non selection of Broad.
But it's hard to criticise him with such a good record.
The game has changed and we look stuck in last years mould.
I note Storm who won last year are not having horrible form and bad losses....so why are we. They are too professional to put in stinkers.
Hope I am completely wrong.
 

zippadeee

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Agree.
The non manning up of Salem and Hunt was crazy.
Dimma is stubborn and has been successful but needs to be more flexible mid game.
Playing Chol last year at seasons end was crazy when it was obvious he was not up to it.
Non selection of Broad.
But it's hard to criticise him with such a good record.
The game has changed and we look stuck in last years mould.
I note Storm who won last year are not having horrible form and bad losses....so why are we. They are too professional to put in stinkers.
Hope I am completely wrong.
Have you seen our form line over the last 4 years.
This year we are more advanced then 2017, 2019 & 2020.
The only time we were dominating in April was in 2018 and we all know what happened.
After the bye, we will be driving at full speed not now.
*smile* Melbourne and Footscary the team will 5 Smurfs as defenders
 
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daniel30

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Fine tune a few things and change a few things to be bit less predictable at times.I like to see one more genuine tall to in side.
 
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bob

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Agree.
The non manning up of Salem and Hunt was crazy.
Dimma is stubborn and has been successful but needs to be more flexible mid game.
Playing Chol last year at seasons end was crazy when it was obvious he was not up to it.
Non selection of Broad.
But it's hard to criticise him with such a good record.
The game has changed and we look stuck in last years mould.
I note Storm who won last year are not having horrible form and bad losses....so why are we. They are too professional to put in stinkers.
Hope I am completely wrong.
I think Dimma is a very flexible coach mid game. One of the best actually, an underrated match day performer. Of course, we have had shocker games where the changes dont work. But he sure can make them!

Balta in the ruck in last year's GF helped change the game - together with a bloke called Dusty. Even the SEN and Triple M blokes, perennial Richmond haters noted this move. Marlion Pickett in the ruck. Edwards to HB last 2 years whenever we needed protection for a defender going down. A few other examples too.

Agree with you P&T re: Broad non selection last year. Still dont understand it to this day. And Chol is another disappointing player, I personally find him as disappointing as I find Naish.

Knew Salem would have a blinder, mentioned it last week.

Wish we were actually playing the Bulldogs at Marvel - I have a feeling we will be playing better on smaller grounds until we get Dion and Nick back. Something in the game plan needs tweaking. I dont quite know what it is. Some players way down on form like Lynch, Rioli, Cotch, Houli, Short. But the forward line is a mess.
 
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Aug 9, 2003
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Have you seen our form line over the last 4 years.
This year we are more advanced then 2017, 2019 & 2020.
The only time we were dominating in April was in 2018 and we all know what happened.
After the bye, we will be driving at full speed not now.
*smile* Melbourne and Footscary the team will 5 Smurfs as defenders
You are right about 2018 and more significantly 2019 and 2020.
But we were 5-0 in 2017. Granted we went off the rails a bit and were 5-4 before long.
 

DavidSSS

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I would think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

We need to make some changes but we don't need to throw out the game plan.

I can see so many reasons to bring in CCJ and have a back up ruck and an extra forward, and the way the ball is going into the forward line is also a clear issue.

Mind you, all this talk of needing 3 talls in the forward line, we won in 2017 with one tall in the forward line. Yes, things change but we should still be able to do better with Jack and Tom there. CCJ as a third option when not in the ruck would clearly help but we should be doing better right now.

DS
 
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