Indigenous History Debate

[DavidSSS]

Well let's look at the context of the history of Australia's treatment of aborigines.

There is a lot of talk about attitudes being different many years ago. Attitudes were different, but what is being argued is that the British government at the time had no problem with the colonists just wiping out aborigines who got in their way, that is untrue.

King George III, the monarch in power at the time of the first fleet, issued orders which read as follows:

You are to endeavour by every possible means to open an Intercourse with the Natives and to conciliate their affections, enjoining all Our Subjects to live in amity and kindness with them. And if any of Our Subjects shall wantonly destroy them, or give them any unnecessary Interruption in the exercise of their several occupations. It is our Will and Pleasure that you do cause such offenders to be brought to punishment according to the degree of the Offence. You will endeavour to procure an account of the Numbers inhabiting the Neighbourhood of the intended settlement and report your opinion to one of our Secretaries of State in what manner Our Intercourse with these people may be turned to the advantage of this country.

Needless to say this is not what actually happened. One can certainly point to the systematic extermination of aborigines in Tasmania as being contrary to these orders. When the extermination of Tasmanian Aborigines was happening the colonial government was paying bounties to kill aboriginal people at the same time as Britain was telling its colonial government to stop the extermination.

Clearly they did know better at the time.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

When the extermination of Tasmanian Aborigines was happening the colonial government was paying bounties to kill aboriginal people

Exhibit A for what history has become.

Tasmania was a frontier in the true sense of the word; plenty of colonists and their families were slain, at a ratio of approx. 1:2 compared with the Aborigines. The orders from Governor Arthur, a humane man, were for resettlement. The "bounty five" was for live captives ($5 per adult, $2 per child), was in place from 1930-32 and was rescinded after hostilities waned.

Not having a go at you specifically as this belief has become somewhat common. A number of websites state the Tasmanian government paid a bounty for the killing of Aborigines. Happy to update my understanding if any evidence for this can be provided.

 

[deedee]

So you've said, twice.

All I see is tokenism really. The governments aren't really keen on addressing it seriously.

*smile*, it wasn't that long ago that our Federal Government refused to even apologise for what happened to the indigenous people. When Rudd came to power in 2008 and made the formal apology, 6 opposition MPs walked out. Dutton, who is still wielding significant power, was the only politician who abstained from the apology.

But you think it's happening, is the speed acceptable for you?

Billions of dollars have been thrown at the problems indigenous people face, and you call it tokenism, it's this attitude that enables "white fella's" to switch off and ignore the issues when discussions about how to help lift the country's indigenous population.

 

[Sintiger]

It’s just a response to your “things were different in those days” post.

I have no problem with teaching our young people that white settlers killed our indigenous people and to state that in those times many saw the killing as lawful because they were not seen as equivalent human beings. That was the pervasive view in that society, that was the level of education and understanding of the times.
Also it has been stated many times that the taking of indigenous children from their families was seen by many as helping them because of the belief they would be raised in a superior society.
Of course none of that changes that both of those things were wrong, both were tragedies and should be acknowledged as such. As a white Australian I am deeply sorry they happened.
We still see the effects on individuals of the stolen generation, read Archie Roach’s book as an example. We have to acknowledge it, own it as a nation and teach it to our children.

 

[Baloo]

Billions of dollars have been thrown at the problems indigenous people face,

Don't who it was that said if you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result you're an idiot. Anyway, this is the problem. Governments have been throwing cash across thinking money solves everything when it obviously doesn't. But it makes us white fellas feel like we've done all we can and it's the ungrateful abos who are too lazy to do anything about their lot themselves.

I mean, this current Prime Minister took indigenous affairs so seriously that he appointed Tony Abbott as his special envoy for Indigenous Affairs. How could things have not gotten better with that well thought out and considered appointment?

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I mean, this current Prime Minister took indigenous affairs so seriously that he appointed Tony Abbott as his special envoy for Indigenous Affairs. How could things have not gotten better with that well thought out and considered appointment?

"Abbott has been made a Companion of the Order of Australia, the highest level of membership... [for] significant contributions to trade, border control, and to the Indigenous community".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/ton...reason-not-to-honour-him-20200609-p550xn.html

As above, many have failed and one man ain't gonna fix it. They are a people without direction (generally speaking) and require more role models, not just in sport.

 

[Baloo]

"Abbott has been made a Companion of the Order of Australia, the highest level of membership... [for] significant contributions to trade, border control, and to the Indigenous community".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/ton...reason-not-to-honour-him-20200609-p550xn.html

As above, many have failed and one man ain't gonna fix it. They are a people without direction (generally speaking) and require more role models, not just in sport.

Not sure of the relevance. The article is about the AC Abbott was given, nothing to do with his indigenous work. Did you just cut and paste another link without reading it again?

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Not sure of the relevance. The article is about the AC Abbott was given, nothing to do with his indigenous work. Did you just cut and paste another link without reading it again?

You smarmy *smile*. Abbott has been working in and among remote communities for well over a decade. But you knew that.

 

[Baloo]

You smarmy *smile*. Abbott has been working in and among remote communities for well over a decade. But you knew that.

No need to try and beat the swear filter. It's really not difficult to work out what you wanted to say.

But again, that article you posted, what is the relevance? It's about the AC he got. Nothing to do with his appointment as the special envoy. You really should read the *smile* intend to post before posting it.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

No need to try and beat the swear filter. It's really not difficult to work out what you wanted to say.

There's an art to profanity. Most assume a four-star noun to be the c-bomb. And you really are an unctuous poster at times. One good belittling deserves another.

But again, that article you posted, what is the relevance? It's about the AC he got. Nothing to do with his appointment as the special envoy. You really should read the *smile* intend to post before posting it.

You just wanted to take a swing at Uncle Tone. You mocked his appointment when he clearly has a long record of trying to assist Aboriginals. Take off your cheerleader outfit.

 

[Baloo]

There's an art to profanity. Most assume a four-star noun to be the c-bomb. And you really are an unctuous poster at times. One good belittling deserves another.

You just wanted to take a swing at Uncle Tone. You mocked his appointment when he clearly has a long record of trying to assist Aboriginals. Take off your cheerleader outfit.

Again, what relevance is that article. Mentions nothing about his supposed indigenous work.

Oh Magoo, you've done it again. Posting a link without reading it.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Again, what relevance is that article. Mentions nothing about his supposed indigenous work.

Oh Magoo, you've done it again. Posting a link without reading it.

He was honoured for that work. I posted a link from Fairfax mentioning it so that you wouldn't refuse to look at it "because Murdoch". And maybe you could learn something from the writer's attitude.

*smile*.

 

[Baloo]

He was honoured for that work. I posted a link from Fairfax mentioning it so that you wouldn't refuse to look at it "because Murdoch". And maybe you could learn something from the writer's attitude.

*smile*.

Yeah, ok Magoo.

 

[Althom]

He was honoured for that work. I posted a link from Fairfax mentioning it so that you wouldn't refuse to look at it "because Murdoch". And maybe you could learn something from the writer's attitude.

*smile*.

I reckon Abbott must think it's hilarious. 5 years since he was PM and he's still living rent-free in the lefties pointy little heads.

 

[Baloo]

I reckon Abbott must think it's hilarious. 5 years since he was PM and he's still living rent-free in the lefties pointy little heads.

Thats an odd way of looking at it. In reality a point made on today's government, where Abbott's retirement posting was used in passing, resulted in a full on spittle shower Magoo defence of everything Budgie Tones stands for.

But yeah, call it a lefty obsession

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

a full on spittle shower

Better get yourself tested, we're shooting for a third wave here in Little China you know.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I'm not a leftie but I still cringe at the thought of the old onion eating weirdo being our PM.

He makes Morrison look like Menzies.

His assassin was a treasonous power-hungry useless bastard. If you want to start a Turnbull pile-on, I'll join in.

 

[Althom]

I'm not a leftie but I still cringe at the thought of the old onion eating weirdo being our PM.

He makes Morrison look like Menzies.

Not a lefty

 

[tigerman]

His assassin was a treasonous power-hungry useless bastard. If you want to start a Turnbull pile-on, I'll join in.

I cut Turnbull a bit of slack for being a republican.

 

[Althom]

I cut Turnbull a bit of slack for being a republican.

Is he really or is it just because he coveted the position of President?