Jayden Short

[Willo]

Shorty still has room for improvement, not a knock on him, but augurs well for us that he still has growth in his game

 

[tigerlove]

Another not strong suit is gut running. A man down, he was asked to run further and harder tonight. Twice in the second quarter he turned it over because he was gassed. One out on the full when he blazed because he couldn't run any more, and a dropped chest mark, after which he stopped and watched his opponent run away with it.

In fairness I was on that wing when he kicked it out on the full and he was hemmed out against the boundary line and tried to just boot it in board but it went off the side of his foot. I remember at the time it was a it unlike him to not sum the situation up better but pretty much every player would have made a mistake like that at some stage or another with nt much room to move and under pressure. You could nit pick moments for every player on the ground but as a whole game he was brilliant playing his role.

Short had (equal) most inside 50s and second (equal) most rebound 50s. Hard to argue that he isn't gut running. Is running up and down the ground very hard.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Another not strong suit is gut running. A man down, he was asked to run further and harder tonight. Twice in the second quarter he turned it over because he was gassed. One out on the full when he blazed because he couldn't run any more, and a dropped chest mark, after which he stopped and watched his opponent run away with it.

He also made a couple of good efforts when it was his turn, and kicked two ripper goals, so I'm not bagging him. I'm just putting him under the microscope at the moment.

You’ve got this all wrong. Was gassed as he was gut running.

 

[Jumping Jack]

I rate him, I like him, he played well. Still say he is overrated on here. Not good one on one.

He’s improved dramatically in this area, I think.

As I’ve said before... he’s out Jake Lloyd.

No way he’s overrated... still very under appreciated if you ask me.

 

[tigerlove]

No way he’s overrated... still very under appreciated if you ask me.

Yep no way he is over-rated. We here are excited because we've seen his immense growth as a player but most of the footy world still wouldn't even know who Jayden Short is. What I love about him the most is his coolness under pressure. He hardly ever panics and makes the right disposal decisions.

 

[RoarEmotion]

I wasn’t there but from TV the fifty metre pass from back end of centre square to Riewoldt looked sublime. I think that was one of the ones jack put out on the full.

 

[tigersnake]

Yes that's not his strong suit, but with us playing 7 in defence it doesn't have to be.

true and I agree. Just making 2 points, first one is I find that Shorty gets a lot of love and his flaws get overlooked or forgiven. That is fair enough and a keystone of my own footy philosophy, a side is not and can never be made up of 100% stars. The point is that other players, for whatever reason, are not afforded the same on PRE. He is the PRE pet, I don't hold that against him, its not his fault. I find it odd in some cases, and interesting. Second point is related, I just don't rate him as highly as some, to me his strengths and flaws both stand out, and his flaws aren't star material, I think he is a good player, right now very good, but won't be a star. Nothing wrong with that, people can argue with me about it and time will tell and thats fine.

Big difference this year for me more than his improved form is he now fits into the team, he's playing to his strengths and were are using them as a side.

 

[Scoop]

PRE pet lol. K-Mac. Flemington straight.

 

[tigerman]

true and I agree. Just making 2 points, first one is I find that Shorty gets a lot of love and his flaws get overlooked or forgiven. That is fair enough and a keystone of my own footy philosophy, a side is not and can never be made up of 100% stars. The point is that other players, for whatever reason, are not afforded the same on PRE. He is the PRE pet, I don't hold that against him, its not his fault. I find it odd in some cases, and interesting. Second point is related, I just don't rate him as highly as some, to me his strengths and flaws both stand out, and his flaws aren't star material, I think he is a good player, right now very good, but won't be a star. Nothing wrong with that, people can argue with me about it and time will tell and thats fine.

Big difference this year for me more than his improved form is he now fits into the team, he's playing to his strengths and were are using them as a side.

I'm guilty as charged, i love him, but do concede he has a couple of areas to work on. If Flossy goes which is highly likely he won't have his security blanket either, as Tigger and the other backs help him so much.

 

[tigersnake]

PRE pet lol. K-Mac. Flemington straight.

have you read the K-Mac thread? Heaps of baggers and heaps of defenders. Concs heaps of baggers and a few defenders, Short, heaps of love and the only critics are me and spook. I like Shorty a lot, but talk of star is OTT. When he starts winning one-on-ones, not all, just sometimes, rather than looking like a robot who needs a recharge I'm fully onboard the star train. Star players do not routinely lose one-on-ones, at any stage of their careers.

This is a comment on PRE for me not Shorty.

 

[Smoking Aces]

His biggest weakness is one on one. Gets beaten far too often.

 

[tha8ball]

Are people seriously potting this bloke?!!? Gee wizz he has been superb. A tough attacking half back with elite skills and composure - and under 50 games. With houli being injured and Ellis in and out of form- im stoked he has come on so well this year. Like all footballers He has his weaknesses, but he also has plenty of time to round his entire game. A potential elite players at HB.

 

[French Tiger]

Are people seriously potting this bloke?!!? Gee wizz he has been superb. A tough attacking half back with elite skills and composure - and under 50 games. With houli being injured and Ellis in and out of form- im stoked he has come on so well this year. Like all footballers He has his weaknesses, but he also has plenty of time to round his entire game. A potential elite players at HB.

Not to mention capable of kicking a goal. Having a great season

 

[tigersnake]

Are people seriously potting this bloke?!!? Gee wizz he has been superb. A tough attacking half back with elite skills and composure - and under 50 games. With houli being injured and Ellis in and out of form- im stoked he has come on so well this year. Like all footballers He has his weaknesses, but he also has plenty of time to round his entire game. A potential elite players at HB.

Difference between potting and criticising. I'm being critical. Purely for balance and to highlight inconsistent assessment on PRE, not that anyone cares or that matters 8-. If everyone was bagging him I'd be backing him. Disagree on potential elite, and therein lies the disagreement. I think he's a great fringe player at worst, and a top 15 player at best. Agree with everything else you wrote, but Elite is wishful thinking, not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[tha8ball]

Difference between potting and criticising. I'm being critical. Purely for balance and to highlight inconsistent assessment on PRE, not that anyone cares or that matters 8-. If everyone was bagging him I'd be backing him. Disagree on potential elite, and therein lies the disagreement. I think he's a great fringe player at worst, and a top 15 player at best. Agree with everything else you wrote, but Elite is wishful thinking, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Fair enough mate. We are all entitled to our opinions! Yeah I might be in the minority - but I believe he could become elite.

 

[tigersnake]

Fair enough mate. We are all entitled to our opinions! Yeah I might be in the minority - but I believe he could become elite.

He bloody could! And you aren't in the minority.

 

[spook]

Data tells a different story.

What data? GPS? Bet it doesn't. Short is the worst runner in the team.

You’ve got this all wrong. Was gassed as he was gut running.

I said he was gassed. I said it was because gut running. He's not good at it.

In fairness I was on that wing when he kicked it out on the full and he was hemmed out against the boundary line and tried to just boot it in board but it went off the side of his foot. I remember at the time it was a it unlike him to not sum the situation up better but pretty much every player would have made a mistake like that at some stage or another with nt much room to move and under pressure. You could nit pick moments for every player on the ground but as a whole game he was brilliant playing his role.

Short had (equal) most inside 50s and second (equal) most rebound 50s. Hard to argue that he isn't gut running. Is running up and down the ground very hard.

Short runs an inner loop that encircles the centre square. I would be amazed if GPS data showed he was anywhere near our elite runners. I also have specific examples from the Geelong game to illustrate my theory. Give me a bit of time to get on the editing suite and I'll knock up a video.

On the out on the full, I had a perfect view of it. I could see Shorty's face. He had a man coming to confront him, it was either grit the teeth and sprint through the closing door or try to kick long. He tried the latter and muffed it because he was tired. A few minutes later he was required to push further and harder than usual and he dropped a sitter and stood still while his opponent gathered the spill and ran away from him. He deadset gave up because he knew he couldn't get the ball back.

Yabby Jeans loved to talk abut The Three Phases Of The Game: We Have It, They Have It, or It's In Dispute. Short is good at the first phase and in the other two is totally carried by far and away the best defence we've seen in yellow and black. If people think that's a jet immune to criticism, or that I'm nitpicking by pointing out he is a liability in 2/3 phases in the game, that's up to them I guess. To me he is a limited player doing his darnedest, but still the weakest link in the chain. There is no one in the side I would less like to see isolated in D50 with the match on the line.

 

[jokershoppe]

seriously some saying not great one on one, if he was ,then he would be afls most talented performing defender,hes playing elite metre gaining games,hes not a dylan grimes one on one defender, if we had too many like dylan or too many like shorty,our mix would be either too attacking or too static, hes want we need, our defense is very well balanced.

 

[tigersnake]

seriously some saying not great one on one, if he was ,then he would be afls most talented performing defender,hes playing elite metre gaining games,hes not a dylan grimes one on one defender, if we had too many like dylan or too many like shorty,our mix would be either too attacking or too static, hes want we need, our defense is very well balanced.

that is all totally fair enough, and it is also why talk of star or elite is OTT. And its not just that he's not great one-on-one, he is poor. Whenever he is isolated one-on-one I think 'were stuffed here'. When he receives the ball I think ''you bewdy'.

 

[tigersnake]

A few minutes later he was required to push further and harder than usual and he dropped a sitter and stood still while his opponent gathered the spill and ran away from him. He deadset gave up because he knew he couldn't get the ball back.

That was one of the poorest pieces of play by a Richmond player in a long time. I forgive him, it didn't cost us, we won, but it was.