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Jayden Short

spook said:
What data? GPS? Bet it doesn't. Short is the worst runner in the team.
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Unfortunately through the AFL app I can only see the top 5 GPS stats in a few various areas. He wasn't top 5 in total distance covered, but from the stat areas the AFL app has he was:

#2 Most repeat sprint efforts
#3 Most sprint efforts
#1 in average speed in defence.
 
Tigertool said:
Unfortunately through the AFL app I can only see the top 5 GPS stats in a few various areas. He wasn't top 5 in total distance covered, but from the stat areas the AFL app has he was:

#2 Most repeat sprint efforts
#3 Most sprint efforts
#1 in average speed in defence.
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That would explain why he sometimes looks gassed, and can't appear to gut run ::)
 
Tigertool said:
Unfortunately through the AFL app I can only see the top 5 GPS stats in a few various areas. He wasn't top 5 in total distance covered, but from the stat areas the AFL app has he was:

#2 Most repeat sprint efforts
#3 Most sprint efforts
#1 in average speed in defence.
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Nothing like some good facts to prove he is an excellent runner. Now we look forward to Spook's response!
 
tigermike said:
Nothing like some good facts to prove he is an excellent runner. Now we look forward to Spook's response!
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I would be keen to see total distance covered compared against other backmen first.

However if he really was our worst runner I don't think he would feature in those GPS stats.
 
You can see heat maps on the AFL app.

Shorty's certainly ain't the worst. I would say in terms of intensity and spread, it's the equivalent of Rioli, Butler, Rance, better than Martin, Ellis, way better than Castagna, Graham, Grimes. It's not near as impressive as Lambert, Cotchy or Grigg, but also, of course it's not.

Anyone who hasn't seen Lambert's should definitely have a look. There's less green than yellow and red.
 
Coburgtiger said:
Anyone who hasn't seen Lambert's should definitely have a look. There's less green than yellow and red.
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He's a fantastic runner.

15.3kms and ran 700m more than the next best.

Scully is the record holder with about 19kms, and holds the top 6 distance records. :o
 
Some being a tad silly about Shorty. He provides something no one else in the back six does - precision, almost every time.

Astbury either kicks down the line or a safe short.

Rance can spear a nice pass but more often than not he hand passes. To Short.

Grimes can look to ice a nice pass but has been known to turn it over. No biggie. He should go for the line breaker.

Houli, for all that I love him, often just blasts. He gets away with it because it is raking, long and can clear packs.

Ellis likes to play safe and neat.

There’s no one else like short. Criticism is vaguely valid but hardly worth the time at this juncture.
 
Baron Samedi said:
Criticism is vaguely valid but hardly worth the time at this juncture.
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Hit the nail here.

My sentiments exactly. As a 22 yo, he's a ripper with some stuff to work on. No need for evisceration.
 
Exactly Baron.

Agree with you.

If we want to get picky we could go through the whole list and critique each players flaws.

Players in this team are encouraged to play to their strengths. That's why there has been a massive shift in the past 18 months which netted us a flag.

2 instances last night out of his possesions are highlighted ( nit picking ) yet he is only a few short games ( see what I did there ) in his career in comparison to most of his other more established team mates who made errors too!

Sure he could do better one on one but who in our sides hasn't been beaten one on one, some by smaller types in the past.

Not because I like the kid or I'm a fan I'm just putting some perspective here.

The kid provides a skill set ( and can kick goals ) from the HB line that few can do in our side ( apart from Vlas ).
 
Coburgtiger said:
Hit the nail here.

My sentiments exactly. As a 22 yo, he's a ripper with some stuff to work on. No need for evisceration.
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Me too, he's a rookie who has worked his arse off to be a key player in a defending Premiership side.
 
spook said:
What data? GPS? Bet it doesn't. Short is the worst runner in the team.
I said he was gassed. I said it was because gut running. He's not good at it.
Short runs an inner loop that encircles the centre square. I would be amazed if GPS data showed he was anywhere near our elite runners. I also have specific examples from the Geelong game to illustrate my theory. Give me a bit of time to get on the editing suite and I'll knock up a video.
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I don't get it. Why does he have to be an elite gut runner? He's a sprinter, repeat efforts, over and over. That's what is required of him, that's what he has been delivering. KMac is supposedly an elite runner. He's not currently getting a game. Most AFL level footballers are well above average in this area but it's not purely about the distance covered.

spook said:
On the out on the full, I had a perfect view of it. I could see Shorty's face. He had a man coming to confront him, it was either grit the teeth and sprint through the closing door or try to kick long. He tried the latter and muffed it because he was tired. A few minutes later he was required to push further and harder than usual and he dropped a sitter and stood still while his opponent gathered the spill and ran away from him. He deadset gave up because he knew he couldn't get the ball back.
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Must have been watching a different game. He'd already burned off one player on his inside but was under pressure to dispose. You can't always put the burners on after putting the burners on. He's a human being not a petrol fuelled robot. He had 95% disposal efficiency and you highlight one incident? Crazy.

spook said:
Yabby Jeans loved to talk abut The Three Phases Of The Game: We Have It, They Have It, or It's In Dispute. Short is good at the first phase and in the other two is totally carried by far and away the best defence we've seen in yellow and black. If people think that's a jet immune to criticism, or that I'm nitpicking by pointing out he is a liability in 2/3 phases in the game, that's up to them I guess. To me he is a limited player doing his darnedest, but still the weakest link in the chain. There is no one in the side I would less like to see isolated in D50 with the match on the line.
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Like every Tiger, and one of the big reasons we have been so successful, is he's being used to exploit his strengths. Of course you don't want him one on one in the backline, that's not his role. You don't want Houli one on one. You don't really want Ellis one on one. That's why you create a balanced team. Imagine if all our backline were pure one-on-one beasts with little run. I'm not really sure where you're coming from. Your description doesn't represent his season at all. He's been brilliant this year. SHort has become that player we've really missed in the backline, one with highly efficient disposal skills to break the lines and bring the ball quickly forward. Tried it with C Ellis, Menadue, Markov, B Ellis, KMac and to me Short has proven the best at it. He's locked into that position now whether you like it or not.
 
Nomorewaiting said:
If we want to get picky we could go through the whole list and critique each players flaws.
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But we do do that.. Over. And over. And over etc etc. Allowed to criticise some but not others, and not after a win apparently. Very interesting.
 
tigersnake said:
But we do do that.. Over. And over. And over etc etc. Allowed to criticise some but not others, and not after a win apparently. Very interesting.
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I reckon you're allowed to criticise whoever and whatever you want here, in order to have a discussion about faults/improvements/analysis etc. That's one of the points and joys of the forum.

But criticisms will be met with arguments. Again, good.

Basically, it's all good.


Ain't it difficult finding things to be upset about as a tiger in 2018?

Life is good.
 
shorty,s running into space to provide a link going out of the backline was pivitol last night..played an outstanding game and played his role to perfection....
 
Coburgtiger said:
Ain't it difficult finding things to be upset about as a tiger in 2018?

Life is good.
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This summarises where we are at perfectly. For his age and role Short is now a gun with some areas he can still work on.
 
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