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List Management 2023

BrisTiger24

BrisTiger24

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With finals off the agenda and a new coach coming (surely an external appointment now), it's time to start thinking about list management.

I think it is clear we need to rejuvenate the list. We probably need to take some risks on trades to give us the draft capital we need.

Grimes - retire
Cotch - retire
Jack - retire (I think we need him to go again but I think we need to bite the bullet for rejuvenation purposes)
Tarrant - retire
Balta - trade. Should be able to get a first rounder for him? If so, with Young looking capable, Gibcus coming back and maybe playing Miller back, we should have enough coverage to trade Balta
Graham - trade (2nd or 3rd rounder?)
Soldo - trade (2nd rounder?)
McIntosh - trade/delist/retire

Package up the 2nd/3rd rounders to Suns for their first rounder. With a first rounder for Balta we should have 2 first rounders and some 3rd and 4th rounders to take to the draft?

Am I shedding too many players?
 
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fastin bulbous

fastin bulbous

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BrisTiger24 said:
With finals off the agenda and a new coach coming (surely an external appointment now), it's time to start thinking about list management.

I think it is clear we need to rejuvenate the list. We probably need to take some risks on trades to give us the draft capital we need.

Grimes - retire
Cotch - retire
Jack - retire (I think we need him to go again but I think we need to bite the bullet for rejuvenation purposes)
Tarrant - retire
Balta - trade. Should be able to get a first rounder for him? If so, with Young looking capable, Gibcus coming back and maybe playing Miller back, we should have enough coverage to trade Balta
Graham - trade (2nd or 3rd rounder?)
Soldo - trade (2nd rounder?)
McIntosh - trade/delist/retire

Package up the 2nd/3rd rounders to Suns for their first rounder. With a first rounder for Balta we should have 2 first rounders and some 3rd and 4th rounders to take to the draft?

Am I shedding too many players?
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I think jack will probably play on though I hope he doesn’t play at the expense of younger players. I think balta will be retained unless there is a godfather offer.

Edit - I’m all for the knee jerk sack everyone philosophy today though so add a few more!
 
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Smoking Aces

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Can we stop the talk about trading Balta.

Next we will be putting Bolton on the trade table.
 
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Brodders17

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Smoking Aces said:
Can we stop the talk about trading Balta.

Next we will be putting Bolton on the trade table.
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I reckon we should trade or delist everyone over 22.

Think how good our future will look when we have a list younger than even the Suns first year.
 
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Brodders17

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BrisTiger24 said:
Grimes - retire
Cotch - retire
Jack - retire
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I think i am now on board with this, it might just be that i want a bit of immediate gratification, watching them play their last game this Saturday, but I reckon Grimes hasn't played to a high enough level to warrant staying on int he 2nd half of this year, especially considering we are likely to keep the rest of the back 7.
And I think i would rather jsut cheer Jack off this week than watch him battle through another season, not knowing which game will be his last.
 
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tigerman

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Tigers2011 said:
Balta had a shocker yesterday but he’s not to be traded. He’s our key defender for the next 10 years.
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Yep, build your team around your defence.
It won't surprise me in a couple of years time if Young is rated our best key defender, he's done very well in his first season of AFL.
 
BrisTiger24

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tigerman said:
Yep, build your team around your defence.
It won't surprise me in a couple of years time if Young is rated our best key defender, he's done very well in his first season of AFL.
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It's Young's performance that makes me think we are ok to trade Balta, knowing Gibcus can be our premier defender. He has been a diamond in the rough find
 
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toothless

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Contracts as they stand today finish at the completion of this season: Nyuon, Mansell, Ralphsmith, Dow, Campbell, Bradtke, Colina, Trezise, & Bauer (9).
 
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Smoking Aces

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BrisTiger24 said:
It's Young's performance that makes me think we are ok to trade Balta, knowing Gibcus can be our premier defender. He has been a diamond in the rough find
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You do realise Balta is one of the best intercept defenders in the league. They are so critical to the way is played today. That’s like saying Melbourne should trade Lever because they have Joel Smith.
 
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toothless

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I reckon it may end up something like this -

In: Coulthard, Trezise, x3 national draft picks
Out: Castagna, Tarrant, Cotchin, Nyuon, Mansell

Free agency: ?
Trade in: Koschitzke?
Trade table: Ralphsmith & Soldo

Plenty of players who come out of contract this season that can be easily slotted in as rookies. Take your pick.
 
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K3

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toothless said:
Contracts as they stand today finish at the completion of this season: Nyuon, Mansell, Ralphsmith, Dow, Campbell, Graham, Pickett, McIntosh, Bradtke, Colina, Trezise, & Bauer (12).
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Definitely five there I would like to see stay on.

The rest, not so much...
 
Feeling Tigerish

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BrisTiger24 said:
With finals off the agenda and a new coach coming (surely an external appointment now), it's time to start thinking about list management.

I think it is clear we need to rejuvenate the list. We probably need to take some risks on trades to give us the draft capital we need.

Grimes - retire
Cotch - retire
Jack - retire (I think we need him to go again but I think we need to bite the bullet for rejuvenation purposes)
Tarrant - retire
Balta - trade. Should be able to get a first rounder for him? If so, with Young looking capable, Gibcus coming back and maybe playing Miller back, we should have enough coverage to trade Balta
Graham - trade (2nd or 3rd rounder?)
Soldo - trade (2nd rounder?)
McIntosh - trade/delist/retire

Package up the 2nd/3rd rounders to Suns for their first rounder. With a first rounder for Balta we should have 2 first rounders and some 3rd and 4th rounders to take to the draft?

Am I shedding too many players?
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Im in 100% agreeance on all of this

however, i would also add pickett to the trade/retire/delist category

Colina, just bloody get rid of him, is he even at the club, who is he, does he exist?

Nyuon, not good enough

Ralphsmith im 50/50

Mansell im 50/50

Cumberland, whats happened to him, 50/50, definitely open to trade
 
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BrisTiger24

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Smoking Aces said:
You do realise Balta is one of the best intercept defenders in the league. They are so critical to the way is played today. That’s like saying Melbourne should trade Lever because they have Joel Smith.
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Risk it to get the biscuit. Precisely the reason we can get good draft capital in return. I have faith Gibcus can be as good, if not better, than Balta.

Balta is one of the best intercept defenders, yet he also leaks goals and turns it over too much going the other way.
 
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Ian4

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Grimes - Retire (might have to negotiate this outcome).
Cotch - Retire
Jack - Retire
Tarrant - Retire
Balta - I would trade for the right price (ie. top 5 pick).
Graham - I would prefer to keep, but I'm OK with us testing the market.
Soldo - Pretty sure he'd be a FA. I like him, but I think Miller and Ryan are the future.
McIntosh - Would Dimma want his structural discipline at the Suns? I like the romance of a straight swap to bring Brandon Ellis home. Both players are of similar age, but I think Ellis' durability means he can play for another 4-5 years and have an impact.

Others:
Ralphsmith - 50/50. Probably delist and rookie if no one else takes him. .
Cumberland - I know he's contracted, but I would be open to offers.
Pickett- Thanks for the memories. I'll always have a soft spot for him, but I think its time.
 
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BrisTiger24 said:
With finals off the agenda and a new coach coming (surely an external appointment now), it's time to start thinking about list management.

I think it is clear we need to rejuvenate the list. We probably need to take some risks on trades to give us the draft capital we need.

Grimes - retire
Cotch - retire
Jack - retire (I think we need him to go again but I think we need to bite the bullet for rejuvenation purposes)
Tarrant - retire
Balta - trade. Should be able to get a first rounder for him? If so, with Young looking capable, Gibcus coming back and maybe playing Miller back, we should have enough coverage to trade Balta
Graham - trade (2nd or 3rd rounder?)
Soldo - trade (2nd rounder?)
McIntosh - trade/delist/retire

Package up the 2nd/3rd rounders to Suns for their first rounder. With a first rounder for Balta we should have 2 first rounders and some 3rd and 4th rounders to take to the draft?

Am I shedding too many players?
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Balta no way trade but u are short on maybe get a first ,I would want a top 10 minimum.
 
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K3

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BrisTiger24 said:
Risk it to get the biscuit. Precisely the reason we can get good draft capital in return. I have faith Gibcus can be as good, if not better, than Balta.

Balta is one of the best intercept defenders, yet he also leaks goals and turns it over too much going the other way.
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Is there a chance Gibcus ends up as a forward.
 
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saigon tiger

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Balta needs to play the Blicavs role ruck drifting around the ground forward back with occasionally match up role if needed. Too many brain fades and stuff ups to be permanent full back. Use his strengths booming kick, contested mark and likes a run. !
 
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