Yawn.... ironic post coming from 1 of the biggest snipers on this site.
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Yawn.... ironic post coming from 1 of the biggest snipers on this site.
C'mon Carts - settle
Don't mind reading your content - even if hindsight isn't always flattering.
Play the ball.
Sure thing T
Just defending another poster who just happens to have an unpopular opinion about Dusty
Posh should apologise to that poster
The internet and footy ground (and construction sites) is no place for those who get hurt feelings
Couldn't work out why this thread was so derailed, then I realised Carts must have me on ignore.
It doesn't seem to have solved his problems.
It doesn't seem to have solved his problems.
I picked him for a flake pretty soon after he joined PRE. He has me on ignore too but its pretty easy to infer what he's saying.
Meanwhile he has the same fights over and over again, just with different people. No self-awareness.
Wreck it Ralph: How Tigers, Cats can dodge list cliff
Shai Bolton was selected with the compensation pick Richmond received for losing free agent Tyrone Vickery.
We have known for some time Geelong’s kids are coming with a bullet, but Hardwick’s wildly optimistic statement after the Essendon win put his club’s growth into perspective.
Richmond and Geelong have unearthed future stars this year through left-field moves, elite development frameworks and canny drafting – with huge trade deals yet to be landed.
Geelong is in the box seat to secure Jacob Hopper if the Giants agree to a trade, with the Herald Sun Rich 100 proving Scott’s statement that a club that paid Jeremy Cameron nearly $1 million a year can still afford Hopper.
The problem for the North Melbournes of the world is Richmond and Geelong are not only destination clubs, they have learnt the lessons of Essendon (2000) and Brisbane (2001-3).
Richmond just kept on drafting kids despite its ongoing success, last year securing a 15-year key-position back, and a very rare top 10 pick at No.9, in Josh Gibcus.
Of the next-generation, Noah Balta (pick 25) and Shai Bolton (pick 29) are generational talents, Noah Cumberland (pick 43) and Maurice Rioli (pick 51, father-son) look steals, Liam Baker is a rookie revelation, Hugo Ralphsmith (pick 46) has promise and 25-year-old premiership player Jack Graham was a pick 53.
Of the Tigers year’s five early picks in last year’s draft, Gibcus has played 17 games, midfielder Tyler Sonsie (pick 28) has averaged almost 18 disposals over the past six weeks, Tom Brown is progressing well in the VFL and half-forward Judson Clark looked at home in three AFL games.
VFL coach Steven Morris last week said of Sam Banks, a mid-sized defender taken at pick 29 last year: “He‘s tracking sensationally. He’s a very exciting player for us, and will be a very good player for years to come.”
Richmond might just not avoid a list cliff, it might follow Geelong’s path of barely registering a speed bump.
At Geelong the Cats weren’t dissuaded by their risky acquisition of ex-Saint Jack Steven, whose single year at the club yielded nine modest games and being stabbed in the chest in a May incident.
They doubled down on Tyson Stengle, and the Stephen Wells magic has delivered with Sam De Koning (pick 19 in the 2019 national draft) and Max Holmes (pick 20).
Rookie Brad Close has played 52 games in the blink of an eye as a high-pressure goal-a-game forward, and rookie pick Tom Atkins has played 79 games in four seasons and is now a bona fide inside mid.
Tim Taranto could be at the Tigers next year. Picture: Robert Cianflone/Getty Images
Geelong is among the clubs interested in Bruhn and is also expected to land teammate Jacob Hopper, while Tim Taranto is likely to nominate Richmond as his club of choice, with an offer believed to be in excess of $700,000 a season.
At any other club Esava Ratugolea would have jumped ship when Jeremy Cameron arrived but the Cats believe he can play as a key defender and also have ruckman Toby Conway (pick 24) being groomed in the VFL.
Consider this contrast: Adam Kingsley is about to walk into the 16th placed team and because of salary cap issues lose Jacob Hopper, Tim Taranto, Bobby Hill, and maybe Tanner Bruhn if he can find a home in Melbourne.
Geelong finished the home-and-away ladder two games clear on top, and for cultural and geographic reasons has been able to save enough pennies to snaffle a Giants academy member taken at pick 7 who will turbo-charge the midfield for another six or seven years.
THE TEN BEST GEELONG AND RICHMOND KIDS UNDER 25
1.Shai Bolton (Richmond)An astonishing 82 scoring shots in the home-and-away season while averaging 18 touches. Close to untackleable. In the top five players in the competition and still only 23 years of age.
2. Sam De Koning (Geelong)
Stengle was an All-Australian ahead of him, but to think De Koning has emerged as the best young key back in the competition off one 2021 AFL game is astonishing. Has not only dominated elite opponents, he has hauled in 58 intercept marks and 32 contested marks.
3. Tyson Stengle (Geelong)
The complete fall-of-the-ball small forward who doesn’t rely on perfect delivery to strut his stuff. Forty-six goals and 153 score involvements and, at 23 years of age, there is no reason he can’t play 150 more games of similar high quality for Geelong.
4. Liam Baker (Richmond)
His actual role is impossible to pin down, but his influence is immense. At only 24, the player voted the most courageous in footy this year should hit 200 AFL games as a centre square mid, pesky small forward and small defender throwing himself across packs.
5. Noah Balta (Richmond)
The club that brought you Alex Rance and Dylan Grimes has the luxury of throwing Balta forward or back and while the jaw-dropping athletic feats have been replaced by dour defence in 2022, Damien Hardwick has the luxury of knowing that he can be moved forward when Jack Riewoldt retires or locked in alongside Josh Gibcus for the next six to eight years.
6. Max Holmes (Geelong)
As Chris Scott said recently, the son of dual Olympian Lee Naylor has been pitched as an athlete-footballer, but in actual fact looks like a natural footballer with an athletics pedigree. He runs hard (of course), but makes smart football decisions.
7. Jack Henry (Geelong)
Henry has at times been played forward this year given the quality and depth of the Cats defence – and won the game against Richmond. But he hasn’t hit the heights of last year when he was runner-up to Tom Stewart in the best-and-fairest. Still an exceptional long-term prospect.
8. Josh Gibcus (Richmond)
He hasn’t had the year that De Koning can boast but this is his first season – the Cats defender is in his third – so playing 17 games as an intercept marking key back has been mighty impressive. Elite talls backs are so hard to find, and Gibcus only has upside after his strong start to his career.
9. Brandan Parfitt (Geelong)
Injuries have stifled Parfitt’s influence this year but at his best he is an excellent clearance player with a lovely soft kick to leading forwards. In the past three weeks has averaged 27 possessions, 13 contested possessions and seven clearances while getting valuable centre-bounce time.
10. Brad Close (Geelong)
Close has kicked 21 goals in 22 games this year and averaged 3.8 tackles and 5.7 score involvements, with the much-heralded Tyson Stengle stealing the limelight despite Cats fans realising how critical to this side he is.
Honourable mentions: Tyler Sonsie, Zach Guthrie, Maurice Rioli, Noah Cumberland, Esava Ratugolea, Hugo Ralphsmith.
Geez. Raaalllphy n his " kids " under 25, reckon if your not an absolute core senior player by that age maybe you shouldn't really be on a list, just fringing nicely.
Kids should be rated as under 22 perhaps at most under 23 y.o.
Kids should be rated as under 22 perhaps at most under 23 y.o.
AFL 2022: Tigers pitch $5m deal at Giants superstar Tim Taranto
Richmond is expected to land a monster fish from Greater Western Sydney in a seven-year deal worth more than $5 million as the Giants try to sort out their significant salary cap issues.Jon Ralph, Jay Clark, Glenn McFarlane and Marc McGowan September 3, 2022 - News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
Greater Western Sydney star Tim Taranto will land at Richmond on a monster seven-year deal that is expected to be worth in excess of $750,000 per season.
GWS is expecting Taranto to make an official trade request in the coming days despite his strong affinity with the Giants and love of the city of Sydney.
The Herald Sun understands that deal runs to seven years and while Taranto is being paid as much as $650,000 this year the Giants could never hope to match its scope.
Taranto will leave the Giants on good terms, aware that in other circumstances he would have loved to have stayed if not for the length and size of the Richmond offer.
Tim Taranto is expected to make an official trade request in the coming days.
The Giants have significant salary cap issues and Taranto’s loss might help them keep one of Tanner Bruhn or Bobby Hill but despite their efforts to keep him were blown out of the water by the Richmond deal.
But they are committed to a full-blown reappraisal of their salary cap in the hope that the drip-feed of player losses over the years to Victoriain clubs is arrested.
The Giants will likely ask for Richmond’s first-round pick and the North Melbourne second-round pick that currently sits at No.19 which the Tigers acquired in a trade last year.
The 24-year-old was one of the Giants’ best players in their Grand Final year of 2019, winning 26 possessions, eight clearances and kicking a goal in the preliminary final win over Collingwood followed by 30 possessions in the heavy defeat to Richmond.
The Giants have been able to play him at half forward in recent years and while it is another sign of his versatility he would ideally play as an inside midfielder.
At Richmond he will be a perfect addition to a list that has young midfielders like Tyler Sonsie, Jack Ross and Jack Graham but needs an inside wrecking ball to replace Trent Cotchin in coming years.
Cotchin is expected to play on next year but with Dion Prestia hamstrung at half time of the Tigers’ elimination final loss to Brisbane it again exposed the club’s midfield vulnerabilities.
The club hopes Riley Collier-Dawkins and Thompson Dow can push for regular selection in coming years but Collier-Dawkins, a No.20 draft pick, has never been able to make an impact at senior level.
Tim Taranto will be a perfect addition to a list that needs an inside wrecking ball to replace Trent Cotchin in coming years.
Geelong is in the box seat to secure GWS midfielder Jacob Hopper as he makes the move to Melbourne despite being contracted until the end of 2023.
GWS still has enough midfield power to play Josh Kelly, Stephen Coniglio, Tom Green and Lachie Ash as the lead members of their onball brigade.
New coach Adam Kingsley will lose Taranto to his former club Richmond, with Dustin Martin to sit down with the Tigers in the near future to plot the next paths for his career.
He is expected to stay at Richmond next year but admitted to friends even when playing in front of crowds of 70,000 at times this year he struggled for motivation.
A long break of at least three months before a return to pre-season in December might help him rediscover his love of football after a tough year battling the grief of his father’s passing.
The AFL’s integrity team is also expected to interview Dustin Martin about a 2015 incident where he touched the breast of a stripper at a player-led club function after the finals series.
Martin could be forced to apologise under the AFL’s victim-led respect and responsibility code.
