Well if they can make a show out of new idea vs woman's day them they can do it with Richmond in the 80's 90 and beyond
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Richmond: The Lost Years
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The way it portrayed the last 15 years I thought pandered to lazy stereotypes about Richmond and was very unfair on the supporters.
We’ve actually been quite good to coaches. We’ve had one finals appearance in 15 years and one three coaches, remarkably stable . Frawley wasn’t unlucky to be sacked, he went three years without a finals appearance as a veteran team got progressively worse, every team in the league sacks its coach under those circumstances. Wallace got 5 years despite the team getting further from finals each year he coached.
Over the last 15 years Richmond supporters have been turning up in droves despite only one good year. Yet the only mention supporters had was the spitting incident….. one person doing one despicable act is enough to brand the whole supporter base as coach killers.
The crowds aren't 'back' Mike, they never left, you just didn't notice because during the two games of football you watched a weekend over the last 15 years you were busy watching the good teams.
We’ve actually been quite good to coaches. We’ve had one finals appearance in 15 years and one three coaches, remarkably stable . Frawley wasn’t unlucky to be sacked, he went three years without a finals appearance as a veteran team got progressively worse, every team in the league sacks its coach under those circumstances. Wallace got 5 years despite the team getting further from finals each year he coached.
Over the last 15 years Richmond supporters have been turning up in droves despite only one good year. Yet the only mention supporters had was the spitting incident….. one person doing one despicable act is enough to brand the whole supporter base as coach killers.
The crowds aren't 'back' Mike, they never left, you just didn't notice because during the two games of football you watched a weekend over the last 15 years you were busy watching the good teams.
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Didn't think it was unfair on the supporters at all, apart from maybe replaying the spitting incident. He clearly made the point that the crowds and the support never really went away. It was also very clearly stated that the revolving door of coaches was predominantly an 80's thing.
I found Wall's comments insightful too, even if there may have been some revisionism there as well.
Definitely worth a look if you were too young to remember the 80s or like me, you lived through it and wondered why and how it all went so wrong. If you want a glowing endorsement of all things Richmond, don't watch it though.
antman said:
I didn't watch the whole thing, admittedly, but the bit I watched said we “even sacked Frawly after he took them to a preliminary final”. Well a bit happen after 2001, and then they didn’t mention Plough at all in the bit I watched. Poor old Plough is one of our longest serving recent coaches.
Yeah, I think we've been pretty stable for coaches in the last 15 seasons: Hardwick, Rawlings, Wallace, Frawley. I'm sure there's clubs with more coaches than that over the last 15 seasons!
Melbourne; Craig, Neeld, Bailey, Viney, Riley, Daniher.
Western Bulldogs: Wallace, Rhode, Eade, Williams & Mcartney
Melbourne; Craig, Neeld, Bailey, Viney, Riley, Daniher.
Western Bulldogs: Wallace, Rhode, Eade, Williams & Mcartney
The bit that pissed me off was showing the player we could have drafted.
You could have done that with every team.
You could have done that with every team.
Would have been better off showing the duds we recruited from other clubs during the 1980s, how many games they played and how much they cost us. Some stinkers in there.
http://puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48632.msg1617513#msg1617513
Amazing to think that even when we had no money, we still forked out $175,000 for Terry wallace in 1987 and then had to sell him because we couldn't afford to make the payments to Hawthorn.
Amateur hour.
http://puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48632.msg1617513#msg1617513
Amazing to think that even when we had no money, we still forked out $175,000 for Terry wallace in 1987 and then had to sell him because we couldn't afford to make the payments to Hawthorn.
Amateur hour.
Punxsutawney Phil said:
Yeah, but this was just a repetition of our behaviour throughout the decade and even the seventies. Rather than build a culture and an organisation, sack those who don't succeed and just buy in new gun players, coaches etc. Even if you have no money. A cargo cult mentality.
The thing that hit me the most after the show was the 2 biggest player management debacles in the clubs history.
1975
We trade Graham Teasdale, Brian Roberts and Francis Jackson for Pitura.
Hafey sacked at the 0f 1976
History repeats
1982/83
Cloke, Raines, Wood leave. We pick up Phillip Walsh, John Annear, Craig Stewart, Neil Peart, Wally Lovett and Peter McCormack from Collingwood.
Burke sacked at the end of 1983
GR was responsible for both.
As great as he was he made some terrible decisions as well.
We really needed someone strong enough to sit him down at times.
1975
We trade Graham Teasdale, Brian Roberts and Francis Jackson for Pitura.
Hafey sacked at the 0f 1976
History repeats
1982/83
Cloke, Raines, Wood leave. We pick up Phillip Walsh, John Annear, Craig Stewart, Neil Peart, Wally Lovett and Peter McCormack from Collingwood.
Burke sacked at the end of 1983
GR was responsible for both.
As great as he was he made some terrible decisions as well.
We really needed someone strong enough to sit him down at times.
Was pretty clear we failed to grasp the business model over the club model for at least a decade or more. It goes a long way to show that ego maniacs in control of business have a very high risk/reward ratio.
22nd Man said:
I was at that AGM at Punt Rd. Think he called him weigh-man, making the t silent. This fool had just finished saying how he had followed the Tigers for years and was always tuning in to follow our fortunes; and how proud he was that his first duty as club President was to present the previous years b&f. Then proved what a complete liar he was by not even knowing the pronounciation of our best players name. Shows how desparate we were as a club. From memory I think he was offerring $500k if we won a flag winthin 3 years (knowing we had no chance!). You're right 22, all it was was free advertising for his Swan Brewery in Victoria. No wonder we've spent 30 years in the wilderness.
tiger12 said:
Was that around the same time that Royce Hart walked around the room looking for his seat and finally found it with the nametag Roy Sart?
Punxsutawney Phil said:
Don't recall that, but it wouldn't suprise. Remember seeing some of the recently retired players in attendance. It was in the social club at Punt Rd. Facilities were really poor. I remember thinking this club won a flag by a record margin some 5 or 6 years prior, and was now in this state of decline. We (supporters) were either in a state of denial or just blinded by faith, but the club was well and truly on the road to oblivion.
