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SOS appointed list manager at the Saints
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Now I know why Stocker got a second chance, that's the SOS way, got be doubly sure.
SOS the gift that just keeps giving.
Cutting a swathe through clubland lol
Wish he'd replace Wells at Geelong next.
Cutting a swathe through clubland lol
Wish he'd replace Wells at Geelong next.
jobs for the boys. past group basing their success on past performance, time has flown by and game has changed. Don't have the luxury of 5 of the top 15 picks.
I was talking about Liam Stocker and SOS ending up at the same club again as a coincidence given SOS was the one who did the pick swap to get him to Carlton and has defended him in the media since he was delisted.
Don’t get the connection to RCD
I know it's never acceptable to inject facts that contradict a good PRE kicking of an opponent, but I am baffled by the knocks on Silvagni as a list manager.
He started at GWS in 2011 from scratch, the side finished top 4 by 2016 and made a Grand Final in 2019.
He started at Carlton in 2014, finished in 2019 and that list looks ready to mature into a finals making side now as well and probably should have started last year, despite all the coaching upheaval in those years.
People can pick out all the micros of individual draft picks and priority picks but if the macro of a list manager is to create a list capable of playing finals and contending then he is miles ahead of most.
He started at GWS in 2011 from scratch, the side finished top 4 by 2016 and made a Grand Final in 2019.
He started at Carlton in 2014, finished in 2019 and that list looks ready to mature into a finals making side now as well and probably should have started last year, despite all the coaching upheaval in those years.
People can pick out all the micros of individual draft picks and priority picks but if the macro of a list manager is to create a list capable of playing finals and contending then he is miles ahead of most.
with half the teams in the competition being eligible for finals each year, coupled with better draft picks for the lower you finish, I'm not sure this is such a science as may be suggested.
more respect to those who strike gold with the rookie drafts etc , than those with access to high picks year on year, such as Silvagni faced with GWS in particular and then with a perennial poor performer in Carlton.
Here is his Carlton work.
Rating all of Stephen Silvagni's draft and trade acquisitions
We have given a tick or a cross against every player Stephen Silvagni brought to Carlton over his five years at the Blues.
www.zerohanger.com
His 2015 is a smash out of the park.
The rest is pretty much meh. And his recruiting of plenty of GWS hacks to the blues has been disastrous.
If you judge him on 2015 he's been a success. But many many many more misses than hits.
Here is his Carlton work.
Rating all of Stephen Silvagni's draft and trade acquisitions
We have given a tick or a cross against every player Stephen Silvagni brought to Carlton over his five years at the Blues.
His 2015 is a smash out of the park.
The rest is pretty much meh. And his recruiting of plenty of GWS hacks to the blues has been disastrous.
If you judge him on 2015 he's been a success. But many many many more misses than hits.
I think that's too micro a view of list management, is there anyone who doesn't have many more misses than hits?
When you look at that list, each year they have added guys who have become part of the senior side and the list has improved.
Taking the view that list managers work in the future the question about Silvagni's competence should be do they have a good list at about the 2022 stage, three years after he finished?
I'd say the answer to that is absolutely yes, certainly better than more teams than not. That makes him pretty decent at his job for mine and certainly not the joke he is painted to be on this forum.
And so he should have given the picks he had at both clubs over a long period of time.
That’s the point so many are making.
It is of course subjective but when you compare the picks Richmond had against both what Carlton and GWS had over the last decade or more there is a strong argument that either their recruitment or development teams were just not up to scratch, or both
He wasted so many list spaces at Carlton on failed GWS picks. That’s pretty damning on him imo.
Silvagni took over as list manager of a Carlton team that had 3 no1 picks already on its list, plus Patrick Cripps, and was a year removed from playing finals. Nearly 10 years later Carlton still havent played finals again.
I am not sure how anyone could call that a success.
(and keep in mind he was list manager not recruiter so he shouldnt get the credit for individual selections like Curnow and McKay.)
I am not sure how anyone could call that a success.
(and keep in mind he was list manager not recruiter so he shouldnt get the credit for individual selections like Curnow and McKay.)
