Player driven, didn’t hurt anyone and meant something to the indigenous and others in society, aren’t we all so precious to have a whinge..
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No doubt on the first point. On the second point, if the gesture makes those affected feel better/supported, then sure. But we need more than these simple gestures if we want change. We need equal opportunity and self-motivation. I reckon we have come a long way with both (looking to the future and opening up boundaries is the key, not wailing in the unjusts of the past).
Actually it goes back a very long way and has religious connections. Going down on one knee was not invented in the USA at a gridiron game and although that is a fair bit of the current context it ignores the history which goes back much further.
As for mixing politics and sport, I have no problem with the players making a statement. Always been proud of the Australian who came second in the 1968 olympics, who stood with the 2 black american athletes doing the black power salute on the dias.
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The argument against is the simple gesture causes more harm than good.
That would happen if people become highly primed to categorise themselves and others by racial group. (And we belong to many other identity groups, but those lose their value / are forgotten).
Identities aren’t supposed to be partitioned into boxes, so anything that encourages society to box people up into race groups is a bad thing IMO, even if the tone sounds postive and it frames anyone who disagrees as a villain. Skin colour and identity is never simple to categorise.
We could take Shane Edwards (or Nathan Drummond) as an example of identity being complex. Before Shane identified as an Indigenous person, imagine everyone telling him “you’re black, you’re Indigenous, you’re culturally different from us - but I support you buddy! Your life matters!”. I just think we’re not helping anyone when we reduce their unique and complex identity to any sweeping group like race.
As the world has become highly connected over the past 80 years since WW2, national identities have lost their meaning and racial identities are being given meaning. Neither is something for the common person to celebrate IMO.
Very true but I doubt the richmond and collingwood players kneeling, raised them any money.Depends what you define as a problem?
I hope the RFC did some research into BLM (the political organisation rather than the bumper slogan).
Even the simplest (10 sec) research raises concerns.
Go to the BLM Homepage:
Home - Black Lives Matter
The official #BlackLivesMatter Global Network builds power to bring justice, healing, and freedom to Black people across the globe.blacklivesmatter.com
Click to donate:
Black Lives Matter: Support the movement
Our movement is dedicated to ending state-sanctioned violence, liberating Black people, and ending white supremacy forever. Join us in supporting the movement today!secure.actblue.com
Then investigate who actblue are:
What the hell is ActBlue? And why is it showing up on so many Democratic candidates' campaign finance reports? - MinnPost
The web-based platform is funneling an unprecedented amount of cash from individual donors to Democratic candidates this year.www.minnpost.com
Then ask yourself how BLM donations are being used.
I wonder how many of our beloved Tigers understand they are (in part) bending knee to raise money for the US Democrat Party?
Just a question.
but the democrat outfit is a long way from the JFK years.
i have wondered if the invisible republicans insidiously took over the Democratic Party so they don’t care who wins.
kinda like Toyota buying ford.
that was ‘bend the knee’
bent knees matter
ok but have a look through this link.
I know it’s wiki... but it’s a good place to start and if you dispute anything you can look elsewhere for accurate data.
List of genocides - Wikipedia
don’t skip the part where black people have predominantly been slaughtered in their thousands, by other black people.
Not denying there haven’t been shameful situations where black people have been taken advantage of.
Australian ‘settlement’.
Belgian Congo
South African apartheid
Southern USA slavery.
Relatively few deaths compared to genocide events but nothing to be proud of.
BLM are political.
they steer clear of topics that don’t support their agenda.
- The vast majority of soldiers killed in the USA civil war ‘fighting to end slavery’ were white.
(ignoring the fact that many were Irish fleeing the famine and signed up for a job straight off the boat, with no idea they were going straight to the battlefield).
- child soldiers was an African concept.
just be aware, there are some fallacies, there are some objections, and there are some agendas,.... and pointing these out does not mean racism.
Qualified that statement perfectly. Agree 100 percent.
Except it doesn't. The wounds are open and festering because there has been no change and will be none while governments and their authorities ignore the real issues and continue doing the same ole same ole. There exists still an element of society that is White Australia.They believe that being indigenous is a taxpayer funded rort.
TBR yes many black people have been treated abhorrently world wide including by black people themselves.
I have helped a few of the local Congolese families and they told me a bit about life back in Africa where they were being persecuted and hunted by other tribes because
they were of a different tribe. The president of Congo called them insects to be eliminated. They fled to a camp in Kenya and they were still under attack from men from
Uganda who would cross the border to attack and rape.
This was not far from Rwanda where the Hutu's and the Tutsi's performed genocide on each other over twenty years ago.
It hasn't stopped, this from an article from africacheck.org ' Roughly 8,300 people died in political conflict in sub-Saharan Africa in the first two months of 2015"
(One of these Congolesse I recruited to be a boundary umpire and if it weren't for his wife having a baby he would have taken up the offer to join the AFL umpires squad a
couple of years ago. Masange's running ability was so amazing he could run the boundary on one side by himself for both the reserves and seniors.
A great talent and fantastic bloke to boot.)
Noble sentiment TBR, but simple gestures will never satisfy the socialist element that have embedded themselves within the race grievance industry. If we all do what we
can to treat our fellow Australians from all walks of life decently we will have done Australia proud.
P.S. I believe that 99% of Australians already treat all people decently but you will always get some bad apples in all walks of life.
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Where did i mention cultural Marxism?
I merely highlighted a 'fact' that should you choose to donate money to the BLM cause - through the BLM website - you are actually donating money that is funneled into the Democrat Party of the USA.
You are welcome to refute or attack that as you see fit.
I don't care to debate your summation about justice, healing and freedom - but I welcome you explaining how any of the rioting or symbolic gestures is doing so.
Kind regards
Yeah they are free to choose and I’m free to choose to not like their choice.
Good to hear you are in favour of their right to do what they think is right.
This is the post match interview with Dimma and Dave which unfortunately wasn't shown in full on the telecast last night. It's just over 8 minutes and from about the six and a half minute mark Dave is asked a question about the player show of support and in my opinion his answer is brilliant and gives a clear indication of the inclusiveness of the club both now and going forward.
www.richmondfc.com.au
Just found a twitter link with Dave Astbury's answer.
Round 2: Hardwick post-match
Damien Hardwick addresses the media following the Round 2 draw against Collingwood.
Just found a twitter link with Dave Astbury's answer.
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Aka Peter Norman....and I think that those who today are against the Tigers taking the Knee and have doubts about the BLM and talk about indengenous Austealians as just being a left wing cause cannot pretend that their 1968 selves would have endorsed Normans stance. (Maybe their 2020 selves don't either.)
It one of the greatest stories of sport that Carlos and Smith came to his funeras pall bearers.
I doubt I will ever see an Australian in an Olympic sprint final let alone on the podium.
Peter Norman, always have trouble recalling that name.
A fine gesture by Norman to stand with the black athletes and very relevant for the times as the Civil Rights movement was prominent.
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