Talking Politics

[K3]

That's not what I said. I'd love someone like that but more importantly I'd love someone to actually do a good job rather than just articulate a vision. They are not necessarily the same thing.

As mentioned I agree completely with what you are saying, it is just that you are not addressing what I was posting about at all. All I was commenting on was how it would be great to have a leader who had, and could share, a vision which made Victorians excited to go and vote. To me that would have been a great thing, as 'big vision' has been lacking in Australian politics since Hawke, and to a lesser extent Keating, I recon.

 

[Ian4]

Yep big Abbott factor in the Victorian election result.

lets hope he leads the LNP to the next federal election :hihi

East West Link Payout - a scare campaign from the Right. Would not be surprised if there is no pay out at all.

of course it is. and even if there is some compo, it will be napthine's fault, not andrews. the LNP and murdoch media took victorians for fools, but most of us saw through it

Nice how the Libs went on and on about Labors union links. Personally, I believe there should be a royal commission held to look into the links between the Liberal Party and big business and the types of clauses inserted into contracts which is effectively hands over public money to private business in return for very little. Why should we pay them compo for loss of profits over the entire length of the contract? As far as I'm concerned, it's fraud.

spot on. union bashing is popular with the LNP (and murdich media), but it just doesn't work IMO. unions like the CMFEU are far from perfect, but big business is far more corrupt.

 

[K3]

lets hope he leads the LNP to the next federal election :hihi

Would be tops, and recon it is a pretty good shot to happen. As he has taken the Libs sooooo far down the right fork, it would be hard for anyone else to take over the ship at this point.

of course it is. and even if there is some compo, it will be napthine's fault, not andrews. the LNP and murdoch media took victorians for fools, but most of us saw through it

Is very much Napthines fault and is a huge reason why I put him second last on my ballot paper. If there is some massive payout I will be ropeable...

spot on. union bashing is popular with the LNP (and murdich media), but it just doesn't work IMO. unions like the CMFEU are far from perfect, but big business is far more corrupt.

Have to disagree. I recon union bashing does work, especially after the articles which show just how rife corruption is among the unions these days. I will expect to see Fed Lib ensure getting stuck into the unions, and their sidekicks Labor, in the lead up to all state and the federal election.

 

[larabee]

Quote from TA today explaining away the broken ABC cuts promise:

"Sensible governments are not only entitled but, indeed, expected to change when the circumstances change,"

Tony Abbott - taking hypocrisy to a new level

 

[tigers80]

It seems that a male PM can get away telling lies, a woman well she gets attacked from Alan Jones to uncle Ruperts newspapers for this same thing....

Couldn't be gender politics could it...mmm

 

[K3]

I found the comments at the bottom to be really interesting and revealing. I don't know about anyone else, but I recon more accountability could only help politics in Australia.


Labor to release cabinet-in-confidence documents on East West Link
Date December 1, 2014 - 4:00PM
Richard Willingham, State Political Correspondent

Daniel Andrews will break convention to release sensitive cabinet-in-confidence documents relating to the controversial East West Link project.

The Premier-elect has vowed to release the business case, contract and all other documents on the project this week.

On Monday morning he said he would take the "unprecedented" move in Victoria and release documents that are usually kept secret for decades.

"That is a very important step, in some respects an unprecedented step, but the public interest is served by doing that. What's more, the incoming Labor government has a very clear mandate to end the secrecy on this botched and rushed project," Mr Andrews said.

He denied releasing the documents would affect future costs of other projects. He also said other Napthine government projects would be heavily scrutinised.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott enraged many when he handed over secret cabinet documents regarding the Rudd government's home insulation scheme to the inquiry investigating deaths related to the program.

Mr Abbott and Mr Andrews spoke on Monday morning, with the Prime Minister urging the Premier-elect to build the East West Link.

But Mr Andrews ramped up his rhetoric, saying the $3 billion allocated by the Commonwealth to Victoria for the full project was actually money redirected from funding for the Melbourne Metro Rail Tunnel project.

"I made it very clear to him that I wanted to sit down and work with him around our ambitious and optimistic infrastructure plan," Mr Andrews said.

"Rather than political stunts and the withdrawal of money that doesn't really belong to the Prime Minister, this was Metro Rail money that then became East West money. There are many other projects that we will sit down in good faith and in good will to talk about, and that will happen quite soon."

Mr Andrews also hosed down speculation that the new Labor government would offer new projects to the East West Connect consortium in compensation for dumping the multibillion road tunnel.

He has said he would sit down with them and have "an adult conversation" about other projects they could be involved in.

"Probity will guide us in all decisions we make," he said.

Outgoing Napthine government Treasurer Michael O'Brien labelled Mr Andrews reckless.

"It's not enough for Daniel Andrews to rip up contracts, he now wants to rip up the basic conventions of government," Mr O'Brien said.

"Daniel Andrews relied on Cabinet confidentiality to avoid releasing documents when he was health minister.

"He now trashes that same convention when it suits his political games.

"This reckless stance will come back to haunt Daniel Andrews and every Labor Minister".


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-to-release-cabinetinconfidence-documents-on-east-west-link-20141201-11xnjz.html

 

[TigerForce]

Still a honeymoon period, but some interesting moves here by Dopey Dan. Looks like an all-out war with Tone....or is it all bluff?

 

[Tigers of Old]

It seems that a male PM can get away telling lies, a woman well she gets attacked from Alan Jones to uncle Ruperts newspapers for this same thing....

Couldn't be gender politics could it...mmm

Was absolutely disgraceful the way Gillard was treated by the Murdoch press.

 

[lukeanddad]

Was absolutely disgraceful the way Gillard was treated by the Murdoch press.

Oh brother. So it continues on this bizarre, one sided forum.

Have you paid any attention to how abbot is treated on abc and the Fairfax media?

 

[Tigers of Old]

Oh brother. So it continues on this bizarre, one sided forum.

Have you paid any attention to how abbot is treated on abc and the Fairfax media?

Have you paid attention as to how he's treated by Murdoch?

 

[Ian4]

But Mr Andrews ramped up his rhetoric, saying the $3 billion allocated by the Commonwealth to Victoria for the full project was actually money redirected from funding for the Melbourne Metro Rail Tunnel project.

"I made it very clear to him that I wanted to sit down and work with him around our ambitious and optimistic infrastructure plan," Mr Andrews said.

"Rather than political stunts and the withdrawal of money that doesn't really belong to the Prime Minister, this was Metro Rail money that then became East West money. There are many other projects that we will sit down in good faith and in good will to talk about, and that will happen quite soon."

completely forgot about this but its true.

Was absolutely disgraceful the way Gillard was treated by the Murdoch press.

Oh brother. So it continues on this bizarre, one sided forum.

Have you paid any attention to how abbot is treated on abc and the Fairfax media?

so how do you justify the murdoch media's character assination of gillard after the carbon tax backflip but support abbotts backflip on ABC funding cuts?

 

[K3]

Oh brother. So it continues on this bizarre, one sided forum.

Have you paid any attention to how abbot is treated on abc and the Fairfax media?

No other media goes to the extremes that Murdoch media did and it was a disgrace. While Gillard should have been pulled up for what she said, nothing like what happened should have happened.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Oh brother. So it continues on this bizarre, one sided forum.

Have you paid any attention to how abbot is treated on abc and the Fairfax media?

I'm going to need examples.

What is really going on here is more of the same rebranding of everything to the left of the conservatives as "Left". To be clear: to the left of the far right is the moderate right.To the far left of the far right is the bloody centre. To get to the actual Left from the PM's position you'd need to bring a packed lunch and several days water. The ABC reports on only what people actually said and did with occasional comment, by reporters on Insiders - often from that lefty rag The Financial Review, on the Drum website and shows. Most of the comment there is not from ABC journos but from guests.

 

[Tommy H]

No other media goes to the extremes that Murdoch media did and it was a disgrace. While Gillard should have been pulled up for what she said, nothing like what happened should have happened.

Exactly it was disgusting. One term tones is looking more shaky by the day. Even his rusted on shock jocks are turning on him.

 

[Tigers of Old]

'Things have moved on.' - Abbott describing his pre election lies in the presser yesterday.

I'm sure that they have Phony just as you allowed them to re Gillard on carbon.

This guy is a piece of work. Liar and hypocrite.

 

[IanG]

'Things have moved on.' - Abbott describing his pre election lies in the presser yesterday.

I'm sure that they have Phony just as you allowed them to re Gillard on carbon.

This guy is a piece of work. Liar and hypocrite.

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Also noteworthy that he has resumed trying to blame the previous ALP government. Sounds desperate to me.

 

[Rosy]

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Also noteworthy that he has resumed trying to blame the previous ALP government. Sounds desperate to me.

Especially with the analysis predictions that the budget blowout will be $5 billion worse this year than projected in the May budget and up to $35 billion over the next 4 years. Can't blame Labor for ever...especially not for their own dud budget. Lift ya act Libs.

 

[Ian4]

'Things have moved on.' - Abbott describing his pre election lies in the presser yesterday.

I'm sure that they have Phony just as you allowed them to re Gillard on carbon.

This guy is a piece of work. Liar and hypocrite.

its unbelievable isn't it? the gall of this guy. after his criticism of gillard, no one will ever let him forget about his lies.

Especially with the analysis predictions that the budget blowout will be $5 billion worse this year than projected in the May budget and up to $35 billion over the next 4 years. Can't blame Labor for ever...especially not for their own dud budget. Lift ya act Libs.

they will blame labour for not passing hockeys budget, not beause its bad policy.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

'Things have moved on.' - Abbott describing his pre election lies in the presser yesterday.

I'm sure that they have Phony just as you allowed them to re Gillard on carbon.

This guy is a piece of work. Liar and hypocrite.

Never mind the carbon tax, he let the AWU thing go too...hang on...no he didn't he had a bloody royal commission into it!

 

[Pomsta]

That's not what I said. I'd love someone like that but more importantly I'd love someone to actually do a good job rather than just articulate a vision. They are not necessarily the same thing.

Unfortunately politics is not about doing the right thing for all the people these days. It's about saying what you need to to get into power and then slagging off the opposing parties enough to stay in power. It doesn't matter what party you vote for they are all in it for themselves.