U.S Presidential Election | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
  • If you are having trouble logging in to the forum please contact [email protected] // When reseting your password or awaiting confirmation please check that your email is correct and also your junk/spam emails.
  • IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.

U.S Presidential Election

glantone

dog at the footy, punt rd end
Jun 5, 2007
1,135
94
I’ve listened to a few episodes of this podcast on this topic. Pretty interesting stuff - essentially fake/crazy stories keep you watching longer so sell more ads. So if you like planes you get shown planes, then stuff with planes crashing, then stuff with 9-11, then 9-11 conspiracy theories and then I guess you turn into a nutter. Sorry no someone espousing contested facts.

Hahaha... great post in a nutshell. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Resistance is useless if you can't be bothered or are just impressionable.
 

Djevv

Tiger Champion
Feb 11, 2005
3,022
180
NT
www.youtube.com
Fair enough Djevv, your posts are always opinionated but fair.

Not referring to you, but interesting to see how many erstwhile supporters and enablers are jumping off now.

Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user

Djevv

Tiger Champion
Feb 11, 2005
3,022
180
NT
www.youtube.com
There is no money for the Tech companies if they keep showing you leading you to stuff you have no interest in. By focusing on what you've shown interest in, then adding that to your online profile that has all your connected history, they display stuff to you they think you would also find interesting.

Their goal is to keep you online, viewing stuff they serve up, to collect the advertising revenue. Advertising that is targeted to you based on your profile that advertisers have paid for.

Yes agreed, they have a lot to answer for.
 

antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
21,006
6,558
I just did say that, geez you sound like my wife.
No dude, don't let amnesia get you. You said on p64 of this thread.
I don't understand your "one-true-way" approach problem. I think I go to a decent level of explanation of when I disagree with someone. I don't claim to be right simply because I argue from a libertarian viewpoint. I argue I'm right using logically consistent arguments, happy to be shown when that's not the case as I'm not infallible. Sometimes arguing the point helps to articulate your understanding better. Sure Trump is different to most politicians, but my argument is that is it is a difference of style not substance. Most politicians are mercenaries, most are corrupt and most are crony capitalists.
You do argue logically and state a clear position without misrepresenting others, which I appreciate. And you call me out if I'm inconsistent which is also valuable. But I think a reliance on pure logic is not necessarily always the best approach - a priori assumptions can sink an otherwise perfectly logical and rational argument. This is philosophy 101. Agree that arguing and explaining helps.

I understand your point on "all politicians" - there is some truth in that. There is a lot of truth in the libertarian critique of the whole warfare/welfare state thing, for example. And a perfect libertarian society is logical and would seem to function well. But life isn't like that.
For every claimed Trump die hard on here there are three times as many that are hardcore anti-Trumpites. They are also much louder and they love to pump each other up and tell each other how right they are (sometimes I dabble in that too but there are seldom opportunities!) My point is if the situation was reversed, I would be accused of being pro-dem.

yes, Lee is outnumbered and he does a good job of trying to defend Trump while at the same time pretending he really doesn't care. Unfortunately his arguments are not as logical and well-thought out as yours, it's pure point scoring but then most of us are guilty of that.

Sometimes the majority is right, sometimes they are wrong, sometimes the truth lies in between.

I think the historical fact of what has happened in the US with Covid and the subsequent farcical attempt to subvert democracy since the election was called in early November prove exactly what most of us have been saying - Trump doesn't learn, he always acts the same way, if a disaster occurs he can't be relied on, he burns friends and allies without a second thought, he doesn't read, doesn't understand the Constitution and doesn't care that he doesn't understand.

TDS is a thing. I for one am revelling in the fact that this guy has failed the US in the biggest and most embarrassing way possible. He may yet be impeached, he may yet go to jail, he may yet lose a lot of his businesses so I hope he dies knowing that period of his life that should have been his greatest achievement turned out to be his most abysmal failure.

It's true, I just don't like the guy.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users

mrposhman

Tiger Legend
Oct 6, 2013
8,691
4,653
Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.

Thats because Trump has for a long time been brainwashing his diehards to ignore any media that doesn't agree with him, hence Fake News. This has filtered down to the point where to "do their own research" they read one sided discussions on conspiracy theorist websites and far right propaganda websites along with QAnon. Whilst I don't like Trump (despite the fact that I'm a centre right voter) but what you can say about him, is either he or someone in his team have absolutely nailed his marketing to his diehards.

Sorry just referring back to last week and I know you don't like the word coup, but a question you didn't answer.

Trump was bagging Mike Pence a lot in his speech, he was riling his supporters up and a lot of what he said about Pence was that if he didn't block the final vote, then he is as bad as the others. The crowd in his speech were then chanting "hang Mike Pence", which they again did whilst they surrounded the capitol building and erecting a hangsman noose. What do you think would have happened had they managed to get their hands on Pence?? Do you think they would have murdered Pence and if so would you blame Trump for that?
 

antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
21,006
6,558
Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.

No, they just watch Fox, listen to Alex Jones, and watch youtube and that's their right. A lot of them would just vote for any GOP candidate, just like many Dems. But yeah, Trump has succeeded in creating an America Divided.
 

mrposhman

Tiger Legend
Oct 6, 2013
8,691
4,653
Yes agreed, they have a lot to answer for.

Some of the information they get out of your phone is disturbing. I'm certain that your phone is always listening, the fact that you can just discuss something and then next time you are on facebook, what you've discussed is right there in the paid marketing. No need to have searched online, it just appears there.

This is one reason the argument that people give to not taking the Covid vaccine is because the governments want to microchip people. I always ask the same people, do you own a mobile phone? There is no need for a microchip when you walk around with a mobile phone.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

Tiger Legend
Jun 4, 2006
29,457
7,344
Melbourne
yes, Lee is outnumbered and he does a good job of trying to defend Trump while at the same time pretending he really doesn't care.
As explained more than enough times, I'm less a Trump supporter than an opponent of the dehumanising elitist left. It really is an evil thing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users

antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
21,006
6,558
As explained more than enough times, I'm less a Trump supporter than an opponent of the dehumanising elitist left. It really is an evil thing.
Sure bro, that's why Trump is the "leader the free world needs" and is "making the world a better place".

You love him and we all know it.
 
  • Love
Reactions: 1 user

tigerdell

Hope springs infernal
Mar 29, 2014
1,640
963
Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.
Just a point on the media - Trump had a lot of support from mainstream media.

Fox news is mainstream. Its cable as is CNN, but it is accessible for the majority in the USA.
New york post and many other papers also are /were pro trump.
I,d hazard a guess that many local tv in mid west and southern states were pro trump at times.

The idea that Trump had no mainstream support was promoted by trump himself, in a classic excuse for any failure
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: 2 users

tigerdell

Hope springs infernal
Mar 29, 2014
1,640
963
Can I ask what TDS is please...?
Trump derangement syndrome i think.
Its a new way to abuse people by suggesting that they are mad because they are so mad at trump.

It might better belong in the playground than here on PRE
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user

Brodders17

Tiger Legend
Mar 21, 2008
12,171
1,598
Trump derangement syndrome i think.
Its a new way to abuse people by suggesting that they are mad because they are so mad at trump.

It might better belong in the playground than here on PRE
it basically a term Trump supporters use to bag those who point out Trump's long list of faliures. by trying to paint those who can see through Trump's lies as having a 'mental illness' they hope to discredit that long list of failures.
they cant argue the facts, unless you adhere to "alternative facts" so they attack the person.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users

antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
21,006
6,558
TDS - a term used by ardent Trump fans who can't accept criticism of the Dear Leader, the savior of the free world, leading the world to a better place. Typically these are people who want o overlook Trump's corrupt behaviour and are prepared to forgive him for 400K dead American citizens from Covid19 while on his watch.

They often say things like "if it wasn't for the virus he would have been the best President ever".
 

antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
21,006
6,558
Boom - he's been impeached in the House for the second time in his term with ten republicans voting to impeach. First time in history.

Here are the ten House Republicans who voted to impeach Donald Trump on the charge of incitement of insurrection:
  • John Katko of New York.
  • Liz Cheney of Wyoming.
  • Adam Kinzinger of Illinois.
  • Fred Upton of Michigan.
  • Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington state.
  • Dan Newhouse of Washington state.
  • Peter Meijer of Michigan.
  • Tom Rice of South Carolina.
  • Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio.
  • David Valadao of California.

The Republicans’ votes made this the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in history. In comparison, five Democrats voted to impeach Bill Clinton in 1998. foo_017.png
They finally decided to put some security in at Capitol Hill for this one.

 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user

antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
21,006
6,558
Apparently GOP members have been getting death threats if they vote to impeach. Looks like there won't be enough support in the Senate.

Congratulations Donny, this is the America that you have remade in your own image.