Well when your fathers name is Frederick Christ Trump (Sr) it’s probably to be expected.
I kid you not. That was his fathers real name
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I kid you not. That was his fathers real name
Does that make Donald J Trumps middle name Jesus? Even though its not, he probably thinks it is.
I tend to agree with you, neither are great candidates. Trump - well because he's Trump and Biden due to age, but the US is a strange country, they generally don't elect younger leaders like the rest of the world who tend to elect those in their 40's / early 50's. They tend to deduce that age = experience.
Good read. I won’t post the full article as it probably not be of interest to some. But I found it enlightening.
Especially when Fred tells Donny to “shut the *smile* up” ….
Old Fred was a piece of work
The Trumps were Democrats. They had always been Democrats. Fred Trump had made his fortune through the Democrats. There was no Trump Organization apart from the Democratic organization of Brooklyn. Who Fred knew was what he was worth.
In 1977, Fred Trump and Donald Trump reached a pinnacle of acceptance: they were listed as sponsors on the invitation for New York’s Salute to the President, a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee held in the ballroom of the Waldorf Astoria. The political, corporate and social cream of the city were present to toast Jimmy Carter. The Trumps’ high-dollar donation got them an invitation to the exclusive party at the Upper East Side home of the dinner’s organizer, Arthur Krim, the chair of United Artists
www.theguardian.com
Especially when Fred tells Donny to “shut the *smile* up” ….
Old Fred was a piece of work
The Trumps were Democrats. They had always been Democrats. Fred Trump had made his fortune through the Democrats. There was no Trump Organization apart from the Democratic organization of Brooklyn. Who Fred knew was what he was worth.
In 1977, Fred Trump and Donald Trump reached a pinnacle of acceptance: they were listed as sponsors on the invitation for New York’s Salute to the President, a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee held in the ballroom of the Waldorf Astoria. The political, corporate and social cream of the city were present to toast Jimmy Carter. The Trumps’ high-dollar donation got them an invitation to the exclusive party at the Upper East Side home of the dinner’s organizer, Arthur Krim, the chair of United Artists
Trump’s hubris has brought about the downfall of his family’s business empire | Sidney Blumenthal
Even the fortune Trump inherited from his father did not stop him from steering the family’s dynasty on to the rocks
Hah hah hah listen to the boos.
Cmon ! The Orange Criminal has to pay his $550 million USD in lawsuit penalties somehow ?
www.theage.com.au
Cmon ! The Orange Criminal has to pay his $550 million USD in lawsuit penalties somehow ?
Trump heavily booed as he hawks $600 branded shoes at Sneaker Con
The unannounced launch of Trump-branded sneakers came a day after a judge ordered the former US president and his company to pay $US355 million in a lawsuit.
Again leaving aside the insults, rage and defensiveness you need to read Trump's document case indictments - when you've done that, get back to us. You might have a stronger sense of Trump's legal jeopardy through the incredibly strong obstruction evidence.
And it might be an idea to read Hur's report, or at least a good summary of it - you'll see that there was not sufficient evidence to proceed with any prosecution of Biden, despite Hur's editorializing on Biden's mental capacity. You clearly haven't done this, or you wouldn't get the facts so badly and consistently wrong.
Do some reading, come back with better arguments and I might take you more seriously.
National security experts criticize Biden’s handling of classified documents
The disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 but did not return them troubles some national security experts.Feb. 17, 2024, 10:00 PM ACDT
By Ken Dilanian
The controversy over special counsel Robert Hur’s characterization of President Joe Biden’s memory has obscured one of the most surprising findings in his report: evidence that Biden knowingly kept classified materials at home for years and failed to turn them in.
After a yearlong investigation, Hur found that the evidence of “willful retention” — the language in the criminal statute — wasn’t strong enough to justify a prosecution. And he explained in detail why the criminal charges against former President Donald Trump for his handling of classified materials include far more serious allegations of misconduct than Biden’s case.
To Democrats, Hur’s finding that there was no criminal case to bring against the president is the most important takeaway.
But to some national security experts, the disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter that he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 — with no indication he returned them — was unexpected and troubling. So was the revelation that Biden disclosed classified information to the ghostwriter on at least three occasions, and that he stored notebooks full of state secrets in unlocked drawers in his home office.
They said a senior government official like Biden should be held to a higher ethical standard than whether a jury would convict him of a felony.
“It may not be criminal, but it’s reckless and awful, because you have no idea what sources and methods you are putting at risk,” said NBC News legal contributor and former federal prosecutor Chuck Rosenberg. “Someone who served as the vice president of the United States should know better.”
White House spokesperson Ian Sams said the Hur report “found the totality of evidence in fact does not support willful retention.”
“The report also notes how, in early 2017, the President did find another marked classified document and did turn it in, via his aide, which illustrates precisely what he told the special counsel,” Sams said. “That if he had found classified documents he would have returned them.”
Sams also noted that the Hur report says prosecutors could not establish that Biden knew information was classified when he shared it with his ghostwriter.
Biden pushes back at special counsel report doubting his memory
FEB. 11, 202402:16
Biden, who has been immersed in the world of state secrets for decades, has taken a firm line on the handling of classified documents. When asked in September 2022 about Trump’s storing of classified documents at his home in Mar-a-Lago, he replied, “How could that happen? How could anyone be so irresponsible?”
And when classified documents were discovered in his Delaware garage and other places in December 2022, he said he was surprised, adding, “People know I take classified documents and classified information seriously.”
But Hur’s report says the documents found in a box in Biden’s garage, many with classification markings, mainly relate to his role in opposing a 2009 Obama administration troop surge in Afghanistan. Some were classified “top secret.” When they were discovered in late 2022, Biden’s team immediately called the FBI.
The special counsel said the evidence suggests these were the same documents that Biden was referring to in 2017, when he told a ghostwriter in a recorded interview that he had “just found all the classified stuff downstairs,” in a Virginia home he rented after leaving the vice presidency. The special counsel found no evidence that any classified documents were turned in at that time.
That is perhaps the report’s most damaging finding: Biden knew he had classified documents in 2017, but there is no evidence he took steps to turn them in.
But the report says the special counsel was unable to conclusively identify those documents, and therefore prosecutors could not prove to a jury exactly what that 2017 comment referred to.
Still, the report contradicted the message that the White House had voiced for months: that Biden didn’t know he had classified documents in his home and office.Sams, the White House spokesman, said Biden told the special counsel that he believed he was referring to a handwritten letter he had sent President Barack Obama, a letter that was not marked classified.
But the Hur report says Biden “did not remember anything at all about this incident” — an especially important factor that Justice Department officials say prompted Hur to include the controversial assessments of Biden’s mental state, including that he would appear to a jury as “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”
The ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, was helping Biden write a memoir about his son’s death called “Promise Me, Dad.”
The report says Biden also shared with Zwonitzer classified information on three occasions from notebooks Biden had compiled during his time in office. Biden then stored those notebooks in insecure locations, it says.
The report also says “the evidence shows convincingly” that Biden knew the notebooks contained classified information. But it also acknowledges that prosecutors would not be able to prove to a jury that the exact passages Biden read to the ghostwriter were classified.
The report notes that other presidents, including Ronald Reagan, took home notebooks or diaries containing classified information and were never prosecuted. And it says Biden believed he had a right to keep his own notebooks. So, it concludes, a prosecution would be difficult.
Still, there were warning signs. The Hur report found that in October 2016, as then-Vice President Biden was gathering notecards to use in writing his memoir, a military aide working in his office raised concerns that the notes contained classified material. The aide’simmediate supervisor disagreed, so she wrote an email for the record saying she believed “these records are being mishandled.”
In another instance, the report says, a lawyer working for the vice president’s office noticed that some of the notecards he was collecting “contained notes about the President’s Daily Brief,” which often contains some of the most sensitive intelligence the U.S. government collects.
Attorney Mark Zaid, who specializes in cases involving classified information, said Hur’s findings were “worse than I expected by way of the president’s conduct over the years. But even then, none of it surprised me.”
“His conduct was emblematic of what we see with former senior government officials all the time,” Zaid added. “It sends a horrible message to the workforce that our senior leadership is not held to account for its mishandling of classified information.”
Zaid said a typical client who did what Biden had done probably wouldn’t be prosecuted, but “they would have faced loss of federal employment and/or their security clearance without a doubt.
National security experts criticize Biden’s handling of classified documents
The disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 but did not return them troubles some national security experts.
www.nbcnews.com
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National security experts criticize Biden’s handling of classified documents
The disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 but did not return them troubles some national security experts.
Feb. 17, 2024, 10:00 PM ACDT
By Ken Dilanian
The controversy over special counsel Robert Hur’s characterization of President Joe Biden’s memory has obscured one of the most surprising findings in his report: evidence that Biden knowingly kept classified materials at home for years and failed to turn them in.
After a yearlong investigation, Hur found that the evidence of “willful retention” — the language in the criminal statute — wasn’t strong enough to justify a prosecution. And he explained in detail why the criminal charges against former President Donald Trump for his handling of classified materials include far more serious allegations of misconduct than Biden’s case.
To Democrats, Hur’s finding that there was no criminal case to bring against the president is the most important takeaway.
But to some national security experts, the disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter that he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 — with no indication he returned them — was unexpected and troubling. So was the revelation that Biden disclosed classified information to the ghostwriter on at least three occasions, and that he stored notebooks full of state secrets in unlocked drawers in his home office.
They said a senior government official like Biden should be held to a higher ethical standard than whether a jury would convict him of a felony.
“It may not be criminal, but it’s reckless and awful, because you have no idea what sources and methods you are putting at risk,” said NBC News legal contributor and former federal prosecutor Chuck Rosenberg. “Someone who served as the vice president of the United States should know better.”
White House spokesperson Ian Sams said the Hur report “found the totality of evidence in fact does not support willful retention.”
“The report also notes how, in early 2017, the President did find another marked classified document and did turn it in, via his aide, which illustrates precisely what he told the special counsel,” Sams said. “That if he had found classified documents he would have returned them.”
Sams also noted that the Hur report says prosecutors could not establish that Biden knew information was classified when he shared it with his ghostwriter.
Biden pushes back at special counsel report doubting his memory
FEB. 11, 202402:16
Biden, who has been immersed in the world of state secrets for decades, has taken a firm line on the handling of classified documents. When asked in September 2022 about Trump’s storing of classified documents at his home in Mar-a-Lago, he replied, “How could that happen? How could anyone be so irresponsible?”
And when classified documents were discovered in his Delaware garage and other places in December 2022, he said he was surprised, adding, “People know I take classified documents and classified information seriously.”
But Hur’s report says the documents found in a box in Biden’s garage, many with classification markings, mainly relate to his role in opposing a 2009 Obama administration troop surge in Afghanistan. Some were classified “top secret.” When they were discovered in late 2022, Biden’s team immediately called the FBI.
The special counsel said the evidence suggests these were the same documents that Biden was referring to in 2017, when he told a ghostwriter in a recorded interview that he had “just found all the classified stuff downstairs,” in a Virginia home he rented after leaving the vice presidency. The special counsel found no evidence that any classified documents were turned in at that time.
That is perhaps the report’s most damaging finding: Biden knew he had classified documents in 2017, but there is no evidence he took steps to turn them in.
But the report says the special counsel was unable to conclusively identify those documents, and therefore prosecutors could not prove to a jury exactly what that 2017 comment referred to.
Still, the report contradicted the message that the White House had voiced for months: that Biden didn’t know he had classified documents in his home and office.
Sams, the White House spokesman, said Biden told the special counsel that he believed he was referring to a handwritten letter he had sent President Barack Obama, a letter that was not marked classified.
But the Hur report says Biden “did not remember anything at all about this incident” — an especially important factor that Justice Department officials say prompted Hur to include the controversial assessments of Biden’s mental state, including that he would appear to a jury as “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”
The ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, was helping Biden write a memoir about his son’s death called “Promise Me, Dad.”
The report says Biden also shared with Zwonitzer classified information on three occasions from notebooks Biden had compiled during his time in office. Biden then stored those notebooks in insecure locations, it says.
The report also says “the evidence shows convincingly” that Biden knew the notebooks contained classified information. But it also acknowledges that prosecutors would not be able to prove to a jury that the exact passages Biden read to the ghostwriter were classified.
The report notes that other presidents, including Ronald Reagan, took home notebooks or diaries containing classified information and were never prosecuted. And it says Biden believed he had a right to keep his own notebooks. So, it concludes, a prosecution would be difficult.
Still, there were warning signs. The Hur report found that in October 2016, as then-Vice President Biden was gathering notecards to use in writing his memoir, a military aide working in his office raised concerns that the notes contained classified material. The aide’simmediate supervisor disagreed, so she wrote an email for the record saying she believed “these records are being mishandled.”
In another instance, the report says, a lawyer working for the vice president’s office noticed that some of the notecards he was collecting “contained notes about the President’s Daily Brief,” which often contains some of the most sensitive intelligence the U.S. government collects.
Attorney Mark Zaid, who specializes in cases involving classified information, said Hur’s findings were “worse than I expected by way of the president’s conduct over the years. But even then, none of it surprised me.”
“His conduct was emblematic of what we see with former senior government officials all the time,” Zaid added. “It sends a horrible message to the workforce that our senior leadership is not held to account for its mishandling of classified information.”
Zaid said a typical client who did what Biden had done probably wouldn’t be prosecuted, but “they would have faced loss of federal employment and/or their security clearance without a doubt.
National security experts criticize Biden’s handling of classified documents
The disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 but did not return them troubles some national security experts.
As I said, not enough evidence to prosecute.
Still, the report contradicted the message that the White House had voiced for months: that Biden didn’t know he had classified documents in his home and office.
Sams, the White House spokesman, said Biden told the special counsel that he believed he was referring to a handwritten letter he had sent President Barack Obama, a letter that was not marked classified.
But the Hur report says Biden “did not remember anything at all about this incident” — an especially important factor that Justice Department officials say prompted Hur to include the controversial assessments of Biden’s mental state, including that he would appear to a jury as “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”
Robert Hur to testify on Biden's classified documents and memory lapses
Robert Hur to testify on Biden's classified documents and memory lapses
Congress will ask the special counsel about his report on the president's handling of classified documents.
www.bbc.com
In it, the special counsel concluded that Mr Biden, 81, had "wilfully" retained classified files after leaving the vice-presidency in 2017. He then emphasised he would struggle to secure a conviction because of Mr Biden's age, mental fitness, and demeanour.
Get the popcorn out.
The polls will be up and down for months to come
The poll, conducted by Reuters/Ipsos, found that — amid Trump’s legal battles, and after a special counsel released a 388-page report on Biden following a classified documents probe — the two leading candidates do not remain very popular among voters.
Trump earned the support of 37 percent of respondents, while Biden earned 34 percent. About 10 percent said they plan to vote for other candidates, while 12 percent said they would not vote. The other 8 percent refused to answer, the survey found.
The survey polled Americans on their opinions of Biden and Trump, just days after special counsel Robert Hur released the 388-page report that found Biden “willfully” took documents from his time as vice president but did not recommend any charges against him and offered a scathing assessment of his mental acuity.
While Trump has blown away his competitors in the Republican primaries — with just former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley remaining — the survey shows he may be losing steam. Tuesday’s poll found the former president’s lead over Biden has been cut in half, falling from a 6-point margin last month to just 3 points.
Voters also expressed concern over the former president’s ongoing legal battles, as he defends himself against a total of 91 criminal charges among four state and federal criminal indictments.
More than half — 55 percent — of respondents said they would not vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony crime, while 25 percent said they would vote for him regardless.
If Trump were serving prison time, 58 percent said they would not vote for him, while 23 percent said they would still cast their ballot for the former president, and 18 percent said they were unsure.
Respondents were also worried about the age of the two candidates; Biden, 81, is the oldest president to serve in the Oval Office. Trump is 77.
Hur’s report described Biden as an “elderly man with a poor memory.”
The survey found that 78 percent of respondents believe Biden is too old to serve in government, and 53 percent said the same about Trump.
thehill.com
The polls will be up and down for months to come
Potential Biden, Trump rematch tightens: Survey
As the likelihood of a rematch between President Biden and former President Trump in November increases, the contest between the primary front-runners has tightened, according to a survey released Monday.The poll, conducted by Reuters/Ipsos, found that — amid Trump’s legal battles, and after a special counsel released a 388-page report on Biden following a classified documents probe — the two leading candidates do not remain very popular among voters.
Trump earned the support of 37 percent of respondents, while Biden earned 34 percent. About 10 percent said they plan to vote for other candidates, while 12 percent said they would not vote. The other 8 percent refused to answer, the survey found.
The survey polled Americans on their opinions of Biden and Trump, just days after special counsel Robert Hur released the 388-page report that found Biden “willfully” took documents from his time as vice president but did not recommend any charges against him and offered a scathing assessment of his mental acuity.
While Trump has blown away his competitors in the Republican primaries — with just former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley remaining — the survey shows he may be losing steam. Tuesday’s poll found the former president’s lead over Biden has been cut in half, falling from a 6-point margin last month to just 3 points.
Voters also expressed concern over the former president’s ongoing legal battles, as he defends himself against a total of 91 criminal charges among four state and federal criminal indictments.
More than half — 55 percent — of respondents said they would not vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony crime, while 25 percent said they would vote for him regardless.
If Trump were serving prison time, 58 percent said they would not vote for him, while 23 percent said they would still cast their ballot for the former president, and 18 percent said they were unsure.
Respondents were also worried about the age of the two candidates; Biden, 81, is the oldest president to serve in the Oval Office. Trump is 77.
Hur’s report described Biden as an “elderly man with a poor memory.”
The survey found that 78 percent of respondents believe Biden is too old to serve in government, and 53 percent said the same about Trump.
Potential Biden, Trump rematch tightens: Survey
As the likelihood of a rematch between President Biden and former President Trump in November increases, the contest between the primary front-runners has tightened, according to a survey released …
thehill.com
The economy is doing far better under Biden so just like in Aust. this comes down to the media and the stupidity of those being polled.
The Donald needs his best “Art of the deal” to cover a few of his fines.
He just needs to flog of a million or so pairs of his “no surrender” hitops
Donald Trump has launched his own sneaker brand, a day after a New York judge ordered him to pay $354.9m in penalties for fraudulently overstating his net worth to dupe lenders.
“I’ve wanted to do this a long time,” the former US president said, as he unveiled what he called the first official Trump footwear at Sneaker Con in Philadelphia, a gathering that bills itself as the “The Greatest Sneaker Show on Earth.”
He was met with loud boos as well as cheers, Associated Press reported, adding that as he spoke, the smell of weed occasionally wafted through the room. Attendees skewed younger and more diverse than Trump’s usual rally crowds, the news wire wrote.
Trump’s legal woes have now set him back by more than $500m – how will he pay?
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The shoes, shiny, gold high tops with an American flag detail on the back, are being sold as Never Surrender High-Tops for $399 on a new website that also sells Trump-branded Victory47 cologne and perfume for $99 a bottle. Trump would be the 47th president if elected again.
The website says it has no connection to Trump’s campaign, though Trump campaign officials promoted the appearance in online posts.
www.theguardian.com
He just needs to flog of a million or so pairs of his “no surrender” hitops
Donald Trump has launched his own sneaker brand, a day after a New York judge ordered him to pay $354.9m in penalties for fraudulently overstating his net worth to dupe lenders.
“I’ve wanted to do this a long time,” the former US president said, as he unveiled what he called the first official Trump footwear at Sneaker Con in Philadelphia, a gathering that bills itself as the “The Greatest Sneaker Show on Earth.”
He was met with loud boos as well as cheers, Associated Press reported, adding that as he spoke, the smell of weed occasionally wafted through the room. Attendees skewed younger and more diverse than Trump’s usual rally crowds, the news wire wrote.
Trump’s legal woes have now set him back by more than $500m – how will he pay?
Read more
The shoes, shiny, gold high tops with an American flag detail on the back, are being sold as Never Surrender High-Tops for $399 on a new website that also sells Trump-branded Victory47 cologne and perfume for $99 a bottle. Trump would be the 47th president if elected again.
The website says it has no connection to Trump’s campaign, though Trump campaign officials promoted the appearance in online posts.
Trump launches gold high top sneaker line a day after $350m court ruling
‘Never Surrender High-Tops’ cost $399 and arrive on the market just after judge hands former US president huge penalty
Hmm, Trump is looking like a March premier.
In any case, the polls are pretty much irrelevant. What matters is who turns up to vote. Biden clearly has some issues there and needs to get the young voters out and sure up support amongst Latinos.
Long way to November but Biden has a lot to do if he wants to beat Trump.
DS
In any case, the polls are pretty much irrelevant. What matters is who turns up to vote. Biden clearly has some issues there and needs to get the young voters out and sure up support amongst Latinos.
Long way to November but Biden has a lot to do if he wants to beat Trump.
DS
Robert Hur to testify on Biden's classified documents and memory lapses
Robert Hur to testify on Biden's classified documents and memory lapses
Congress will ask the special counsel about his report on the president's handling of classified documents.
In it, the special counsel concluded that Mr Biden, 81, had "wilfully" retained classified files after leaving the vice-presidency in 2017. He then emphasised he would struggle to secure a conviction because of Mr Biden's age, mental fitness, and demeanour.
This guy actually thinks being invited to give "evidence" at one of the GOPs "Impeach Biden" inquiries actually isn't just performative *smile*.
This election will be won and lost in about 4-5 states that Biden won last time, especially the mid western states. National polls have limited value in the US now unless one candidate has a massive lead.
Up until this century there were only two US elections where a candidate won the popular vote and wasn't elected and they were in the 19th century but it has happened twice since 2000 with Gore and Hilary Clinton. Hilary got 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016
What the Democrats need is a turnout like 2020 which was the highest voter turnout since the late 1800's.
I wish it wasn't Biden because I am disgusted by his Israel policy but I don't wish that as much as not having the turmeric *smile* as US President again
I don't care about American politics,but seriously if Biden was a Australian ,he wouldn't even be president of his local bowls club.
America is one crazy country.
America is one crazy country.
