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U.S Presidential Election
- Thread starter Chiang Mai Tiger
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Considering that females tend to boss the VCE scores year after year, this is a seriously weird way of encouraging them into certain courses. Dumb things down for the smartest ones.
Guess it's something like the way we improve our education system by dumbing down the entry requirements until any imbecile can qualify.
Gee you'd think that the screeners would have the best protective equipment.
"As coronavirus cases exploded across the world, federal medical workers tasked with screening incoming passengers at U.S. airports grew alarmed: Many were working without the most effective masks to protect them from getting sick themselves."
www.reuters.com
"As coronavirus cases exploded across the world, federal medical workers tasked with screening incoming passengers at U.S. airports grew alarmed: Many were working without the most effective masks to protect them from getting sick themselves."
U.S. airport screeners, health workers plagued by fear and anger as coronavirus spreads
As coronavirus cases exploded across the world, federal medical workers tasked with screening incoming passengers at U.S. airports grew alarmed: Many were working without the most effective masks to protect them from getting sick themselves.
www.reuters.com
I think that you need to start taking a more historical perspective on some of these issues. Feminists have been fighting for over a hundred years to effect changes in a society that systematically discriminated against women. What they have achieved has made Australia, and a lot of the world, a far better place. Sure there are some radical ones out there, but there's also a few women a week who are being murdered by ex-partners. So can understand how that might encourage a 'radical' response. But the historical agenda was very sound.
It's a pretty similar issue with the left-wing. What about all the average people who put their livelihoods and lives on the line for safe working conditions and a living wage. The union movements list of achievements is unbelievable, and we can thank them for the lives we lead today. Sure, these days they are not so important, and there are plenty of union hacks. But the battle was largely won before our time, just like the feminist battle has been won to a large extent (at least in a legal sense).
Unless you support child labour, a 16 hour day, a non-living wage and half pay and no vote for women, then you probably should think a bit more before potting feminists and lefties. If you do support all these things, then their are plenty of countries you could move to, that coincidentally do not have the historical legacy of these grassroots political movements.
I used to vote Labor, you know. Back when they stood for something.
Today they belong in permanent opposition, to provide checks and balances.
Since the mid-90's when 55% of tertiary graduates were male it has swung around to 60% female, and still the push for "equality" continues unsated. Our education system is hopelessly failing boys/young men as it is. It's a cancer that I regard as my duty to oppose.
Anyway, wrong thread. Guilty.
I don't really get the ignorance jibe. I just stated a historical fact. That is that during the worst global economic downturn since the industrial revolution, the world's only communist government seemed to get through it the best. This did not go unnoticed at the time, and along with the rise of fascism, it had a huge influence on the growth of mass left wing movements in the 1930's. The communists in Russia turned a very backward, almost feudal society, into a global superpower in less than 50 years. Amazing. Why do you think nearly every newly independent country looked to the soviet modal to achieve rapid modernization and industrialization? I'm sure even our beloved Tigers signed up to a few Soviet style 5 year plans. I'm not really a left winger, but I don't think that I am particularly ignorant either. And I certainly don't support totalitarianism regardless of the political persuasion of those in power.
I can't really see any irony in the statement either. The 1930's was a different time, and the Soviet experiment in economic management ran out of steam completely in the 1960's. But not before the Western Capitalist governments had gone to school on how governments could exert more control over the boom and bust cycles of unfettered capitalism.
I only made the comment in response to someone saying that left-wing governments can't balance the books/ are not competent economic managers. Avoiding the worst economic downturn of the modern era seems to me to be a salient point in relation to this.
I agree with you on Labour. They've lost a lot of their base. So much so they don't really seem to know what they stand for anymore. For better or for worse I'm a bit of an old school lefty, but that can get you into a lot of trouble these day on certain issues.
Sorry, too many facts and far too reasonable for the ideologically pure around here.
Good try though, a reasonable position. I'm no fan of Soviet style socialism but they did manage to avoid the great depression, facts are facts and while you may find a particular regime repugnant that doesn't mean everything they did was wrong.
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Bizarre hill to die on.
Yeah, in the 1950s more men went to uni than women. That's a shock. Now the balance has swung around, as you say. More women enroll and more women graduate. Yet, the spread across disciplines is still very gender biased - women tend to do more arts/creative/caring and men do the STEM stuff. Even when women do the same disciplines as men, gender pay gaps for male/female are still very significant, between ten and thirty percent. Guess in who's favour Lee?
If you are serious about equity and balance Lee, encourage more men to do the other subjects where female enrolment is much higher - that would even things up a bit. You can also get to work on the cancer that is men/women being paid differently for doing the same jobs after graduation.
All the data is here, knock yourself out. https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-s...olments-and-graduate-labour-market-statistics
Thanks. I think we need to understand where we have come from a bit better. There have been a lot of changes and improvements in the last hundred years or so. And mostly they didn't happen by themselves. People have acted individually, and in groups, to improve society and most of us have benefited significantly from their hard work and sacrifice.
Don't start this *smile* with me. You know very well that the law stipulates equal work => equal pay and that the "gender pay gap" is a complete and utter myth, except at the negotiated salary level which excludes the vast majority of us.
My bad.
Here, this explains it a bit more. "Gender pay gaps are the difference between the median or average earnings of women and men in the workforce. They are not the difference between two people being paid differently for the same job."
You are good at stats, you can work it out I'm sure.
... which excludes the vast majority of us. How many women getting themselves into a tizz about being "ripped off" realise they're campaigning for the Lisa Wilkinsons of the world?
I already know the numbers having worked on payroll databases.
Of course if e.g. Alan Joyce gets paid 400 squillion a year it's going to distort averages and medians.
Averages yes, medians not so much. Medians are useful precisely because they diminish the impact of outliers. Regardless, women earn less than men in nearly all industries. But you keep beavering away on the cancer of male oppression, it's a noble cause. With any luck we can get male enrolments back up to 1950s levels!
PS apols for the ninja edit on my previous post.
Same job, same pay.
As always the challenge is open to anyone to provide institutionalised examples of this discrimination at fixed salary level and prove me wrong. My understanding is that Woolworths did not discriminate on gender when ripping off its workers.
So you've given up on the median argument then
Then you've got pay grades within salary bands - promotions - seniority and all of that which would impact on differentials. And yes, in the professional realm salaries are often negotiated. I'd imagine that women over the terms of their career would suffer due to pregnancy and time out of the workforce due to raising kids and so on. This all means that despite having a higher rate of graduation, women still earn less (and earn less super).
But the really important thing is that men are oppressed because more women graduate.
I'm sure this is really clever but your point eludes me.
Obviously. Life is so unfair, forcing people to make choices as it does.
