Welcome to Richmond - Jayden Short

[St Kevin]

Lost us the game. That moment. Lead? WTF is he capable of leading? Outside players aren’t who you look to for leadership

Has never and will never be a leader

I'd be looking at Nankervis, who is actually the captain for some unknown reason and who has been crap for a while, rather than someone who has generally been very good this year if we're discussing leadership. Everyone gets half a woody when he looks vaguely menacing, but he's flattered to deceive thus far.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Short played a good game and gave 120 minutes of quality effort.

I'll accept that sometimes good players make the odd mistake and that's okay.

He's had a ripping year and hopefully he'll lead us well into September.

He is an experienced player and should nit be giving away stupid 50’s at such crucial times. As for giving quality effort for 120mins that’s rubbish. Was non existent in the last quarter.

 

[MD Jazz]

He is an experienced player and should nit be giving away stupid 50’s at such crucial times. As for giving quality effort for 120mins that’s rubbish. Was non existent in the last quarter.

Big moments and big games aren’t his thing

 

[saigon tiger]

Another one on our list he thinks he is a bit better that what he really is. Too many long kicks to nothing, dumb undisciplined 50s. Needs to get back to basics.

 

[123cups]

He is an experienced player and should nit be giving away stupid 50’s at such crucial times. As for giving quality effort for 120mins that’s rubbish. Was non existent in the last quarter.

I've seen Dusty give away 50's in finals. It's okay to make mistakes.

Short is usually a disciplined player, so this is just an outlier, and that happens.

Perfectly understandable and not worth thinking about for more than a second IMO.

 

[MD Jazz]

I've seen Dusty give away 50's in finals. It's okay to make mistakes.

Short is usually a disciplined player, so this is just an outlier, and that happens.

Perfectly understandable and not worth thinking about for more than a second IMO.

*smile* 2nd dumb 50 that cost a game

 

[tha8ball]

Love shorty but that 50 was bad. Bad bad bad.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I've seen Dusty give away 50's in finals. It's okay to make mistakes.

Short is usually a disciplined player, so this is just an outlier, and that happens.

Perfectly understandable and not worth thinking about for more than a second IMO.

It’s not just Short, it’s a lot of our players that play this way. It is an issue, it is costing us and it needs to be addressed.

 

[tha8ball]

It’s not just Short, it’s a lot of our players that play this way. It is an issue, it is costing us and it needs to be addressed.

I thought Dimma said it had been???? …….

 

[Ridley]

He's playing a bit like he thinks his *smile* doesn't stink. Skill errors and bad decisions with the ball are one thing but that was inexcusable from a player of his experience. Completely unacceptable and it was one of a number of incidents that, if they didn't happen, we would have one.

Really, really poor Short. Deserves to have Dimma rip shreds off him.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I thought Dimma said it had been???? …….

He acknowledged it was a problem, said that it was being worked on, at no time did I think it was fixed, and it’s pretty clear that it hasn’t been. It’s definitely a work in progress, but it’s not finished, and nor do I think it’s been taken seriously enough.

 

[123cups]

It’s not just Short, it’s a lot of our players that play this way. It is an issue, it is costing us and it needs to be addressed.

In general, yes.

But this was a reactionary mistake, like pressing a buzzer too early on a game show.

It was a rare event for Short, and falls under the category of "reactionary mistake", so this 50m penalty was not illustrative of a broader issue of discipline-based 50m penalties we've seen from the team in the past.

 

[Rantnrave]

Way way way worse than geoege...at least george gives 110% ...short,s brain fart moments are a player playing arrogant stupid 25% footy

 

[tha8ball]

He acknowledged it was a problem, said that it was being worked on, at no time did I think it was fixed, and it’s pretty clear that it hasn’t been. It’s definitely a work in progress, but it’s not finished, and nor do I think it’s been taken seriously enough.

I wasn’t saying u did think it was fixed! I’ve heard Dimma mention it several times over the last few seasons… how long does it take to address? Can’t train to not elbow someone in the face, give away stupid 50s etc… players need to take ownership and pull their heads in.

 

[Ridley]

In general, yes.

But this was a reactionary mistake, like pressing a buzzer too early on a game show.

It was a rare event for Short, and falls under the category of "reactionary mistake", so this 50m penalty was not illustrative of a broader issue of discipline-based 50m penalties we've seen from the team in the past.

Reaction to what? Everyone knows you can't touch the ball when the player has it in his hand from a free or mark. That is just excuse making for an inexcusable undisciplined act that cost the game.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I wasn’t saying u did think it was fixed! I’ve heard Dimma mention it several times over the last few seasons… how long does it take to address? Can’t train to not elbow someone in the face, give away stupid 50s etc… players need to take ownership and pull their heads in.

Clearly, the message isn’t getting through. Hardwick keeps saying they’re aware of it and addressing it, yet the players keep doing these things.

 

[artball]

not sure what Short was thinking, but it's just one of a few moments in that last Q some players would like again

 

[WildStyle]

*smile*. He wasn’t trying to handball

No, he wasn't. He gave a slight indication that he might though, which is what got Short to react.

 

[123cups]

Reaction to what? Everyone knows you can't touch the ball when the player has it in his hand from a free or mark. That is just excuse making for an inexcusable undisciplined act that cost the game.

Short was anticipating a handball and had his finger on the trigger ready to go during a tense situation.

He misfired.

It was a rare mistake that he doesn't usually make, and it's in the reactionary category.

The undisciplined category you're focused on was on display when Rioli mouthed off the umpire.

Rioli's 50m was in cold blood and was controllable.

Short's 50m was like a jump scare in a horror movie.

Totally different category and warrants a different response.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Short was anticipating a handball and had his finger on the trigger ready to go during a tense situation.

He misfired.

It was a rare mistake that he doesn't usually make, and it's in the reactionary category.

The undisciplined category you're focused on was on display when Rioli mouthed off the umpire.

Rioli's 50m was in cold blood and was controllable.

Short's 50m was like a jump scare in a horror movie.

Totally different category and warrants a different response.

Yep.

Short's error was significant, but it wasn't a discipline error.

It was a sprinter jumping the gun.

Mouthing off like Rioli, or driving in the back like Grimes were discipline errors.