Global Warming

[AngryAnt]

"What is the cost of climate action?" wail the neocons, oblivious in failing to recognise an economy does not exist in a vacuum. Well, those hippies at Melbourne Uni have crunched the numbers and projected that meeting our Paris target would cost $122 billion, or just over four year's worth of current subsidies for fossil fuel industries. Failing to act, however, will result in losses of $2.7 trillion, or a quarter of our current wealth. Inaction will cost us more than 20 times as much as action.

And that is not even accounting for the loss of coal income regardless of what we do, and the massive chance we have to set ourselves up as the renewables superpower of the world.

What are the full economic costs to Australia from climate change?

What are the full economic costs to Australia from climate change?

sustainable.unimelb.edu.au

On some obscure "realclimate" blog Lee will find a weird hockey stick graph that disproves that

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

On some obscure "realclimate" blog Lee will find a weird hockey stick graph that disproves that

Sounds a bit like “the seas will rise 100 metres” or even “there will be no rain until at least April”.

Meanwhile Melbourne is having its coldest February since Ned Kelly was a boy. What is our Ice Age plan?

 

[AngryAnt]

Scientists: "climate change means more weather extremes and unpredictability"
Lee: "summer was super hot but February is really cold, climate change disproven lol"

 

[lukeanddad]

Scientists: "climate change means more weather extremes and unpredictability"
Lee: "summer was super hot but February is really cold, climate change disproven lol"

No doubt Lee can speak for himself, but my reading is that when we have 2-3 days of 35 plus, (social) media goes into meltdown on climate change, but when we get 10-15 days of <30, we get crickets. I'm not denying climate change, just the hyperbole that surrounds the discussions

 

[AngryAnt]

No doubt Lee can speak for himself, but my reading is that when we have 2-3 days of 35 plus, (social) media goes into meltdown on climate change, but when we get 10-15 days of <30, we get crickets. I'm not denying climate change, just the hyperbole that surrounds the discussions

Hyperbole is a fact of life in (social) media and that won't change.

So how do we judge what is an accurate representation and what is not? As we are mostly non-expert, we must rely on actual experts and science and data.

Of course,if you t hjonk it's all a vast global conspiracy to destroy Western civilization then that's a problem.

Oh, and that conspiracy seems a little bit like hyperbole to me.

 

[HR]

No doubt Lee can speak for himself, but my reading is that when we have 2-3 days of 35 plus, (social) media goes into meltdown on climate change, but when we get 10-15 days of <30, we get crickets. I'm not denying climate change, just the hyperbole that surrounds the discussions

Unless you subscribe holus bolus to the hyperbole you wont get anywhere on this thread Land D.
Just the mere comment regarding the hyperbole is enough for the lynch mob to become restless and probably accuse you of being a denier and a righty lover, turn your post into something its not etc oh there we go, Antman with global conspiracy straw man. You never said that hey, anyway.......
All or nothin mate.

 

[HR]

Well, yes, according to HR, but he only names one of the premiers, because you wouldn't want to name those from his favorite party.

DS

Nah just being Vic centric, the other states can deal with their own issues.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

So how do we judge what is an accurate representation and what is not? As we are mostly non-expert, we must rely on actual experts and science and data.

If experts tell you there will be no significant rain for four months minimum, and it proceeds to *smile* down the following month, one's faith in said experts is naturally diminished.

Personally I'm skeptical of soothsayers and coat-tuggers in general.

 

[HR]

These were the longest running and most devastating fires we've had - certainly the biggest impact on land, forests, native fauna, livestock, properties and the economy that has ever been experienced. Tourism, wine, agriculture and the surrounding rural industries have all taken a massive hit. The level of damage is unprecedented.

That's not my opinion. That's fact.

The fires were "well-managed" in the sense that fewer people died than in other major fires - some on here reckoned that mass evacuations were symptoms of "the nanny state" but its clear that hundreds of lives were saved through these precautionary and acute evacuations . The fire services are much more professional now than they were and modern technology helps with notifying people of threat level and when to evacuate. In that sense management was "better". Even though the scale of the fires was unprecedented, it could have been even worse had the fire services not behaved professionally.

That's fact.

I think Morrison is a disgrace when he lied, then tried to treat this emergency as a marketing exercise, then shifted blame to states, let alone his obfuscation on climate change policy.

Now this last bit is my opinion, you can take it or leave it.

Oh ok, its now a fact that its Scotts fault.
You never accept the fact that the blame did not lie with the Feds, ever. If you could move past that, your opinion would be different and therefore more accurate.

 

[HR]

Obviously, Antman.

If something happens in a state, then that's clearly outside the jurisdiction of the PM. He's responsible for the parts of Australia that aren't our states or territories. So... The ocean I guess.

TBF scomo is about as useful as Aquaman.

Huh.
A country with no boundaries.
Everyone is responsible?
No-one is responsible?
Or just who you want to be responsible is responsible? Tick.

 

[AngryAnt]

turn your post into something its not etc oh there we go, Antman with global conspiracy straw man.

Never said he did. Others on this thread have. So if you accuse one side of hyperbole you should apply the same critique to the other.
Cheers!

 

[AngryAnt]

Oh ok, its now a fact that its Scotts fault.
You never accept the fact that the blame did not lie with the Feds, ever. If you could move past that, your opinion would be different and therefore more accurate.

No, read it again. I said the scale of damage was fact, I said a lot of the management was very well-handled including preservation of lives was also fact.

I stated really clearly that my opinion of Morrison is just that - an opinion.

 

[HR]

No, read it again. I said the scale of damage was fact, I said some of the management was very well-handled including preservation of lives was fact.

I stated really clearly that my opinion of Morrison is an opinion.

Fair enough.
It was certainly a devastating time, definately no winners but heaps of losers.

 

[AngryAnt]

India to stop importing thermal coal.

India to stop thermal coal imports from FY24: Prahlad Joshi

“It was also proposed that Coal India could generate 5 GW of solar power by 2023-24 and could diversify into coal gasification with a target of 50 Million Tonnes by 2030 enabling a sustainable energy mix for the country. All these ideas will be deliberated, studied and examined for their...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

India to stop importing thermal coal.

India to stop thermal coal imports from FY24: Prahlad Joshi

“It was also proposed that Coal India could generate 5 GW of solar power by 2023-24 and could diversify into coal gasification with a target of 50 Million Tonnes by 2030 enabling a sustainable energy mix for the country. All these ideas will be deliberated, studied and examined for their...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Half the delegates at Congress Chintan Shivir will be youth

"All these ideas will be deliberated, studied and examined for their feasibility in detail and based on that, they shall be implemented."

Sounds like little more than an ideological tree-hugging session, will the all-important detail yet to come. Good luck to them if they can effect it.

 

[Brodders17]

No doubt Lee can speak for himself, but my reading is that when we have 2-3 days of 35 plus, (social) media goes into meltdown on climate change, but when we get 10-15 days of <30, we get crickets. I'm not denying climate change, just the hyperbole that surrounds the discussions

you use hyperbole to accuse others of hyperbole? what would Alanis Morissette say about that.

 

[Brodders17]

If experts tell you there will be no significant rain for four months minimum, and it proceeds to **** down the following month, one's faith in said experts is naturally diminished.

Personally I'm skeptical of soothsayers and coat-tuggers in general.

meteorologists predict the weather, climate scientists predict the climate.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

meteorologists predict the weather, climate scientists predict the climate.

Both are wrong far too often for my liking.

Think of it like race tips... once you've done your money 2-3 times you're thinking "Not this bloke with his tips again!".

 

[DavidSSS]

Scientists: "climate change means more weather extremes and unpredictability"
Lee: "summer was super hot but February is really cold, climate change disproven lol"

Forecast 30 on Sunday, looks like the "pause" will be over by the end of the week.

DS

 

[HR]

you use hyperbole to accuse others of hyperbole? what would Alanis Morissette say about that.

Wrong.