2021 Draft Thread

[bullus_hit]

I’m not sold on Johnson totally, I worry he might be too vanilla and not athletic enough. But we need mids.

What if it’s Gibcus v Johnson at our pick. Still prefer Ward and Hobbs by a looooong way than Johnson.

I definitely take Johnson, not sold on the kicking of Gibcus, that isn't a deal breaker given Rance was wayward but at least Rance made up for that with metres gained. Gibcus has too many flaws for mine, he has good anticipation, his leap is used to good effect in marking contests without being Naughton good. I have my doubts he can become a forward but then again I said that about Naughton who continues to make a fool out of me.

I actually have it Ward/Johnson/Hobbs but I am warming to Hobbs after seeing Bengal's montage. I think Hobbs plays very much like Nathan Jones but with better kicking, so if we manage to get anything close to that service I'll be happy. Johnson is one of the few players in the draft who you can feasibly throw into other positions, that's pretty much my mandate this year, multi position talent with some added height. Kicking of course is paramount, as it is every year, and I like Goater for his upside potential but even if he bombs in the midfield I'm very confident he'll be fine as a rebounding defender.

 

[King Kong]

It seems logical but pick 3? Seems it would be better if they traded with Richmond but their reluctance indicates they want Hobbs. Who do you take Rachele vs Johnson?

The latest is that GC, Adel and Hawks are all positioning for Callaghan while GWS want Mac Andrew.

Once its clear where Callaghan is going you might see a few of the top 5 picks on the table from those that missed out.

If we really want Hobbs we should be able to get him on draft night. Its going to be interseting

 

[Dont Argue]

I definitely take Johnson, not sold on the kicking of Gibcus, that isn't a deal breaker given Rance was wayward but at least Rance made up for that with metres gained. Gibcus has too many flaws for mine, he has good anticipation, his leap is used to good effect in marking contests without being Naughton good. I have my doubts he can become a forward but then again I said that about Naughton who continues to make a fool out of me.

I actually have it Ward/Johnson/Hobbs but I am warming to Hobbs after seeing Bengal's montage. I think Hobbs plays very much like Nathan Jones but with better kicking, so if we manage to get anything close to that service I'll be happy. Johnson is one of the few players in the draft who you can feasibly throw into other positions, that's pretty much my mandate this year, multi position talent with some added height. Kicking of course is paramount, as it is every year, and I like Goater for his upside potential but even if he bombs in the midfield I'm very confident he'll be fine as a rebounding defender.

Bully.
You keep comparing Gibcus against Naughton.
With all due respect, Naughton is a young superstar of the competition ( other than an ordinary GF )
One of the best contested marking players in the entire league.
If Gibcus is 80% as good it would be a terrific result.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Value there with a latish pick, he's one guy I expect to be there if both Taylor & Butler are gone.

Just finished watching the Colts GF, Sheldrick keeps making a case too.

Pick in the 20’s? But realistically goes earlier.

 

[Giardiasis]

Yeah I’d be comparing Gibcus to Sam Taylor or Harris Andrews not Naughton

 

[Smoking Aces]

Gibcus seems so obvious to the Gold Coast. Seems to fill their most pressing need.

Absolutely he does. Fingers crossed this talk of them wanting Hobbs is BS.

 

[bullus_hit]

Bully.
You keep comparing Gibcus against Naughton.
With all due respect, Naughton is a young superstar of the competition ( other than an ordinary GF )
One of the best contested marking players in the entire league.
If Gibcus is 80% as good it would be a terrific result.

It was a comment made with reference to his adaptability as a forward, that is why I am using the Naughton example, it's the most recent example of a pure defender becoming a genuine swingman. Think I saw Naughton have two shots on goal at state level and absolutely nothing to suggest he would take the next step as a genuine forward. And that is the whole point of this discussion, it's not whether Gibcus makes it as an AFL player, it's whether he can become a genuine swingman, if not then a midfielder is the way to go at pick 9.

 

[bullus_hit]

Yeah I’d be comparing Gibcus to Sam Taylor or Harris Andrews not Naughton

Precisely, those blokes weren't top 10 picks, Naughton was.

 

[bullus_hit]

Pick in the 20’s? But realistically goes earlier.

He's right about the mark, Chesser hasn't been mentioned but he'll go early, it will be a line ball. Although every year there's a slider and he's the bloke I reckon might slide, not a flashy type who streams down the field.

 

[spook]

Pretty sure Naughton played his club footy as a forward and only state footy in defence.

 

[spook]

Agree on Roberts, bully. Big slider for me.

 

[Streak]

Value there with a latish pick, he's one guy I expect to be there if both Taylor & Butler are gone.

Just finished watching the Colts GF, Sheldrick keeps making a case too.

I'm big fan, glad you're starting to see the light

I reckon Talon Delacey is another to watch at Claremont.

I have seen this kid play for the last 5 years.

He is super versatile as a mid, plays inside and out effectively, with good pace and stamina. Great hands and a really good mark. Fantastic work ethic and just a great kid.

I think he will last until the later rounds and I really hope we get him.

 

[Dont Argue]

It was a comment made with reference to his adaptability as a forward, that is why I am using the Naughton example, it's the most recent example of a pure defender becoming a genuine swingman. Think I saw Naughton have two shots on goal at state level and absolutely nothing to suggest he would take the next step as a genuine forward. And that is the whole point of this discussion, it's not whether Gibcus makes it as an AFL player, it's whether he can become a genuine swingman, if not then a midfielder is the way to go at pick 9.

If Gibcus develops the way he projects and becomes a great CHB in the mould of Lever, together with Balta, we’re a King brother away from locking in our long term talls.
Throw in Johnston and Taylor and viola!

 

[bullus_hit]

Pretty sure Naughton played his club footy as a forward and only state footy in defence.

It was his kicking too Spook, horrible technique.

 

[bullus_hit]

If Gibcus develops the way he projects and becomes a great CHB in the mould of Lever, together with Balta, we’re a King brother away from locking in our long term talls.
Throw in Johnston and Taylor and viola!

We have to pick Johnson at 9 because he won't get past West Coast, Gibcus at 15 is ok if Goater & Sonsie are off the board.

 

[Jonesracing82]

Only if you get them right.
our crew struggles to pick them when the kids have all played a full season leading up to the draft.
But god help us this year.
I saw Hartley and Clarke at Rebels buying darts. Thats not a good sign.
No wonder they offered the house to get pick 1, it just shows they aren't confident in choosing kids.
Then the question would be why stack up on picks in the first place.
why haven't we ever chosen a 'academy' kid? Have we got an academy?
This draft has 2004 the sequel written all over it.

IMO it has turning point written all over it. We were a rabble in '04 & a well run Club now.

 

[gehring]

Bazzo kept him goalless, how is my vision being affected?

Think you have totally misconstrued my point, as a forward DVR has major question marks. Think I've made my case pretty clear, DVR will go in the 15-25 bracket so he is out of reach and yes I would take him ahead of Bazzo but if you are selecting him as a forward then there's an element of shooting blind, not sure how he goes against the best defenders.

"Goalless" you do need glasses. Kicked 4 gave away two with handballs and was instrumental in several others. If you say he did not kick a goal when Bazzo was on him I refer you to the end of the third quarter where he outmarked two defenders including Bazzo and slotted it. After quarter time he was less influential because delivery to him was awful, he was double teamed, rucked in the fwd line and had no talls to support him. However he still remained their most dangerous forward bringing the ball down, shame his team mates could not capitalise. I had to watch the game a second time to see if my recollections were accurate and did not see a single instance where Bazzo beat him one on one let alone made him look amateurish. I like your participation and generally your comments but in this instance you are wrongly insulting the lad.
p.s would like us to draft both of these talls.

 

[Jonesracing82]

For North, I get it, they have Davies-Uniake still unable to take the next step so they probably feel they need a confirmed A grader. From a Richmond perspective, probably not the best way to set yourself up for a post premiership rebuild, the depth of midfielders makes those picks so much more valuable because there's an abundance of players that we actually need & could use. Yes, Horne-Francis would be great but what happens if Horne-Francis goes the way of Rowell and does a knee? That won't help his style of play either, these contested beasts probably have a reduced shelf life compared to the Pendlebury types, they can also run very hot and cold. One observation I made when watching SA vs WA was the minutes Horne-Francis went totally quiet, he's already looking shaky with the tag, I think it was Sheldrick from memory. So giving up four quality mids for a bloke who may drift in and out of the contest doesn't make sense, unless of course he becomes a Dusty.

Thinking about our trade offer, given it's known we want 5 picks inside 30 (if possible) we could well have wanted pick 1 to start a bidding war & target 3 1st rounders or something like that. We are about the only Club in a position to be doing that, many others need & would take #1 to the Draft ala Norf.

 

[bullus_hit]

"Goalless" you do need glasses. Kicked 4 gave away two with handballs and was instrumental in several others. If you say he did not kick a goal when Bazzo was on him I refer you to the end of the third quarter where he outmarked two defenders including Bazzo and slotted it. After quarter time he was less influential because delivery to him was awful, he was double teamed, rucked in the fwd line and had no talls to support him. However he still remained their most dangerous forward bringing the ball down, shame his team mates could not capitalise. I had to watch the game a second time to see if my recollections were accurate and did not see a single instance where Bazzo beat him one on one let alone made him look amateurish. I like your participation and generally your comments but in this instance you are wrongly insulting the lad.
p.s would like us to draft both of these talls.

We're all entitled to opinions & I don't think I was insulting anyone. Here's a blow by blow description of the game for anyone who is interested. And for the record, my opening line to that post you chimed in on was that van Rooyen is the perfect player to pick at 26.

2021 WAFL Colts Grand Final Match Review | Algulf

Today's game was to be a close one from the get-go, after the previous encounters of the two teams for the year were all decided by less than ten points.

algulf.net

 

[bullus_hit]

Thinking about our trade offer, given it's known we want 5 picks inside 30 (if possible) we could well have wanted pick 1 to start a bidding war & target 3 1st rounders or something like that. We are about the only Club in a position to be doing that, many others need & would take #1 to the Draft ala Norf.

Nah, the hype is real, Jaeger O'Meara hype, and there's a lesson right there.