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2021 Draft Thread

bob

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Sounds more like a Josh Kelly type


Ha now that explains it! Thanks Wiggly and Red.

You have both just helped me understand why I'm not as big on Callaghan as others.

Because if he's like Josh Kelly, well then... I've never understood the Kelly hype. In all these years, never seen Kelly grab a game by the scruff and get them over the line. Give me Taranto, Whitfield and of course Toby Greene.
Never understood the love for Kelly. Good player but geez I'd take 20 others beforehand.
 

bob

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That could work too. That would obviously rely on GWS expecting Andrew to not be taken by anyone else, and then they upgrade their 2nd pick.

I know a lot don't like it, but I do. I see a lot of quality in Callaghan, I think the tiges getting 1 of he, Hobbs or Ward is massive and whilst we may lose out on JVR, Pick 19 is very valuable. Callaghan is ready to go and could take our attacking wingspot next year IMO.

We either get the 1st pick of the 2nd round, or we hold a lot of trade value overnight from the 1st day to the 2nd, where we could potentially trade for additional value. I can see Freo only giving this up, if it gets them into a position like shown where they have 13 and 15 to take JVR with. Maybe even both he and Amiss.

Plus I'm still in the thought pattern that we may only take 4 picks into the draft, but we have delisted Biggie and Cumberland to provide flexibility on draft night.

Hi Posh - I really rate your opinion, so I will defer to you too.

If you rate Callaghan highly, I'll keep on looking at the tapes and reading about him from other watchers.
I can understand why you want to move up and see us maybe taking 4 rather than 5. It's a good point to seek out the higher quality.

I think the reason I am hoping for 5 solid picks rather than only 3 or 4 by moving up the Board is that I'm a bit different to some posters - and I actually don't see a lot of quality in our current players like others do. I know I'm shot down when I say this, but Dow, Martyn, Ross, even Hugo a little dont inspire much confidence. And I am 50/50 on RCD. Hope I am wrong.

So, for me, 5 'solid' picks is to replace these guys.

If the deal to move up means we can better guarantee 3 high quality picks, I'm sure the club knows best.
 
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bullus_hit

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Ha now that explains it! Thanks Wiggly and Red.

You have both just helped me understand why I'm not as big on Callaghan as others.

Because if he's like Josh Kelly, well then... I've never understood the Kelly hype. In all these years, never seen Kelly grab a game by the scruff and get them over the line. Give me Taranto, Whitfield and of course Toby Greene.
Never understood the love for Kelly. Good player but geez I'd take 20 others beforehand.
Whilst I disagree with you on the issue of Kelly winning matches off his own boot, he did it a few times last year, he's hot and cold and doesn't have the consistency of some of the other elites. He is also injury prone & you can put the glasses down on him missing a chunk of football.

Now I've got two strategies in mind to achieve our goal of 3 core players, the first I've discussed a bit and that would be -

9. Johnson (tall mid)
17. Sinn (defensive rebounder/wingman)

So if we are to apportion a fair weighting then these selections look to be on the mark. The only issue I see is how to get van Rooyen who is integral in getting the mix right.

Picks 27 & 28 for pick 19? I think it's reasonable, probably want to ensure our man is on the board first. This will probably blow out a few spots with 2 academy bids on Owens & Windhager.

23. Van Rooyen (defensive swingman)

And then with our last pick grab a mid out of Taylor, McDonald etc

30. Taylor
 
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nikolasmia

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Whilst I disagree with you on the issue of Kelly winning matches off his own boot, he did it a few times last year, he's hot and cold and doesn't have the consistency of some of the other elites. He is also injury prone & you can put the glasses down on him missing a chunk of football.

Now I've got two strategies mind to achieve our goal of 3 core players, the first I've discussed a bit and that would be -

9. Johnson (tall mid)
17. Sinn (defensive rebounder/wingman)

So if we are to apportion a fair weighting then these selections look to be on the mark. The only issue I see is how to get van Rooyen who is integral in getting the mix right.

Picks 27 & 28 for pick 19? I think it's reasonable, probably want to ensure our man is on the board first. This will probably blow out a few spots with 2 academy bids on Owens & Windhager.

23. Van Rooyen (defensive swingman)

And then with our last pick grab a mid out of Taylor, McDonald etc

30. Taylor

I don't think there is any chance that we wont take a tall at Pick 7.

It may be a reach but we have no choice IMHO
 

bullus_hit

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The second strategy simply ignores all the high risks types and goes straight in with the numbers game in the twenties. Remembering we only need 3 core players to make this draft a success.

9. Johnson (tall mid)
17. van Rooyen

And then get the dartboard ready and have a medium mid blitzkrieg.

26. Taylor
27. McDonald
28. Butler

The historical odds suggest you will get at least one player from this cluster of three players. It's a much safer approach but leaves the Houli hole unattended for a season.
 
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bullus_hit

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I don't think there is any chance that we wont take a tall at Pick 7.

It may be a reach but we have no choice IMHO
If we go with Gibcus or Amiss we will be taking the wrong approach in my opinion, key defenders rarely go this this high and key forwards are only 50% likely to succeed. Would much rather let other clubs reach & go with a tall midfielder (Johnson or Goater).
 
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mrposhman

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I don't think there is any chance that we wont take a tall at Pick 7.

It may be a reach but we have no choice IMHO
We won't just go with a tall for the sake of it.

I disagree entirely with you as we have a number of holes on our list going forwards that need to be plugged, its not purely a tall player that we need to plug.
 
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The second strategy simply ignores all the high risks types and goes straight in with the numbers game in the twenties. Remembering we only need 3 core players to make this draft a success.

9. Johnson (tall mid)
17. van Rooyen

And then get the dartboard ready and have a medium mid blitzkrieg.

26. Taylor
27. McDonald
28. Butler

The historical odds suggest you will get at least one player from this cluster of three players. It's a much safer approach but leaves the Houli hole unattended for a season.
I would take that in a minute. sign me up
 
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BrisTiger24

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I don't think there is any chance that we wont take a tall at Pick 7.

It may be a reach but we have no choice IMHO
With more KPPs available next year and a rare early picks this year, if we choose tall over best available mid, we will regret it for years.
 
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nikolasmia

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With more KPPs available next year and a rare early picks this year, if we choose tall over best available mid, we will regret it for years.

This may be true, but,

The club does not plan to have another pick in the top 10 till this era ends,

Lets see what happens, but my money is on a tall at 7(9) guaranteed
 

mrposhman

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This may be true, but,

The club does not plan to have another pick in the top 10 till this era ends,

Lets see what happens, but my money is on a tall at 7(9) guaranteed

I reckon they have a more extravagant plan than that.

I reckon Darcy Moore is in their vision. Its why we have so few players signed up after 2022 (currently we have only 14 signed after 2022).
 
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eZyT

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The second strategy simply ignores all the high risks types and goes straight in with the numbers game in the twenties. Remembering we only need 3 core players to make this draft a success.

9. Johnson (tall mid)
17. van Rooyen

And then get the dartboard ready and have a medium mid blitzkrieg.

26. Taylor
27. McDonald
28. Butler

The historical odds suggest you will get at least one player from this cluster of three players. It's a much safer approach but leaves the Houli hole unattended for a season.

throw in The Sonz in the 26 cluster,

and im in
 
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Smoking Aces

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The second strategy simply ignores all the high risks types and goes straight in with the numbers game in the twenties. Remembering we only need 3 core players to make this draft a success.

9. Johnson (tall mid)
17. van Rooyen

And then get the dartboard ready and have a medium mid blitzkrieg.

26. Taylor
27. McDonald
28. Butler

The historical odds suggest you will get at least one player from this cluster of three players. It's a much safer approach but leaves the Houli hole unattended for a season.
That would be a very nice haul. Footballers. All of them.
 
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bullus_hit

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This may be true, but,

The club does not plan to have another pick in the top 10 till this era ends,

Lets see what happens, but my money is on a tall at 7(9) guaranteed
If we do reach in the first then we are making some time honoured mistakes, namely reaching for talls without giving ample consideration to the depth & capability of this year's batch (not to mention next year has a bit of depth in that area).

Best of both worlds! Grab van Rooyen with our second and we have a guy ready to plug a hole at both ends of the ground. We also manage to secure a tall mid & there are only two worth targeting from my experience, although Ned Long is around the mark.
 
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bullus_hit

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Isn't the Houli hole filled by Stack?
Still a work in progress but yes, he's first cab off the rank. Need him to get fitter, that's my major worry but he's as good as anyone. For those who watched Impey this year, that is his ceiling and it's a good one for the role in question.
 
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nikolasmia

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If we do reach in the first then we are making some time honoured mistakes, namely reaching for talls without giving ample consideration to the depth & capability of this year's batch (not to mention next year has a bit of depth in that area).

Best of both worlds! Grab van Rooyen with our second and we have a guy ready to plug a hole at both ends of the ground. We also manage to secure a tall mid & there are only two worth targeting from my experience, although Ned Long is around the mark.

Its never as simple as that

At Pick 9, it will be a marginal call between the mids available and the talls

JVR will be gone by 17

Tall will be taken, could be wrong, but I doubt it
 

bullus_hit

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Its never as simple as that

At Pick 9, it will be a marginal call between the mids available and the talls

JVR will be gone by 17

Tall will be taken, could be wrong, but I doubt it
Van Rooyen may go to the Weagles given they delisted Brander but there's also Erasmus & Amiss who will be in their thinking. In terms of spending a top pick on Amiss, I'm not sold, Colts is notoriously unreliable, he's not a power forward & he's not even a better mark than Van Rooyen who is rated pretty close to the best contested mark in the top 20. Van Rooyen at pick 9 is a reach, not a massive reach but one that I personally wouldn't be making. 192cm mids who can kick and who possess outstanding agility don't grow on trees so I'm very focused on that area. Next year will be the year for talls.
 
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